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k a July Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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Arr0w
Feb 11, 2022
scannose
Sep 19, 2022
k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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fleas on a horizontal line jump over each other
Valentin Vornicu   20
N 16 minutes ago by Blast_S1
Source: IMO 2000, Problem 3, IMO Shortlist 2000, A5
Let $ n \geq 2$ be a positive integer and $ \lambda$ a positive real number. Initially there are $ n$ fleas on a horizontal line, not all at the same point. We define a move as choosing two fleas at some points $ A$ and $ B$, with $ A$ to the left of $ B$, and letting the flea from $ A$ jump over the flea from $ B$ to the point $ C$ so that $ \frac {BC}{AB} = \lambda$.

Determine all values of $ \lambda$ such that, for any point $ M$ on the line and for any initial position of the $ n$ fleas, there exists a sequence of moves that will take them all to the position right of $ M$.
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Valentin Vornicu
Oct 24, 2005
Blast_S1
16 minutes ago
[CALL FOR ACTION] 2025 IMO P4
KevinYang2.71   5
N 34 minutes ago by OronSH
Hi AoPS Moderation Team,

I noticed that the thread for 2025 IMO Problem 4 was deleted recently. From my understanding, this was likely an error, as the other IMO problem threads (P1, P2, etc.) are still up and active. When another user tried to ask about this issue here, the thread was locked without explanation.

Could you please clarify why P4 was removed? If it was deleted accidentally, could you restore the thread so that discussions on that problem can continue like the others? The IMO threads are an important resource for the community, and losing one of them makes it harder for users to collaborate and learn. I am sure many people have lost their solutions along with the thread.

Thank you for your time and for maintaining the forums!

Hugs,
Kevin Yang
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KevinYang2.71
Today at 3:04 AM
OronSH
34 minutes ago
Incenter and midpoint geom
sarjinius   98
N an hour ago by KnowingAnt
Source: 2024 IMO Problem 4
Let $ABC$ be a triangle with $AB < AC < BC$. Let the incenter and incircle of triangle $ABC$ be $I$ and $\omega$, respectively. Let $X$ be the point on line $BC$ different from $C$ such that the line through $X$ parallel to $AC$ is tangent to $\omega$. Similarly, let $Y$ be the point on line $BC$ different from $B$ such that the line through $Y$ parallel to $AB$ is tangent to $\omega$. Let $AI$ intersect the circumcircle of triangle $ABC$ at $P \ne A$. Let $K$ and $L$ be the midpoints of $AC$ and $AB$, respectively.
Prove that $\angle KIL + \angle YPX = 180^{\circ}$.

Proposed by Dominik Burek, Poland
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sarjinius
Jul 17, 2024
KnowingAnt
an hour ago
2024 International Math Olympiad Number Theory Shortlist, Problem 3
brainfertilzer   14
N an hour ago by KnowingAnt
Source: 2024 ISL N3
Determine all sequences $a_1, a_2, \dots$ of positive integers such that for any pair of positive integers $m\leqslant n$, the arithmetic and geometric means
\[ \frac{a_m + a_{m+1} + \cdots + a_n}{n-m+1}\quad\text{and}\quad (a_ma_{m+1}\cdots a_n)^{\frac{1}{n-m+1}}\]are both integers.
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Yesterday at 3:00 AM
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an hour ago
counting problems
BlueAnglerfish42   2
N 2 hours ago by BlueAnglerfish42
1. How many ways are there for 5 skibidi toilets to swallow 30 different people if each toilet can swallow up to 5 people in one gulp? (A toilet can gulp more than once.)

2. Call a number "rizztastic" if it is divisible by more than 4 odd numbers. How many three-digit numbers are "rizztastic"?

3. 10 skibidi toilets don't have names, and 5 toilets have names. Each toilet name is three letters long. How many ways are there to give the rest of the toilets names?
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BlueAnglerfish42
2 hours ago
BlueAnglerfish42
2 hours ago
9 Easiest math competition
a.zvezda   26
N 2 hours ago by PikaPika999
MOEMS, Math Kangaroo, and Beestar are to me the easiest. :P
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a.zvezda
Tuesday at 11:28 PM
PikaPika999
2 hours ago
interesting problems
superhuman233   22
N 2 hours ago by superhuman233
1.how many ways are there to arrange the letters of the word "skibidi" such that no two i's are next to each other?
2. call a number "evil" if it can be written as 2^n + 1 for nonnegative integer n. how many "evil" numbers are there less than 10,000?
3. five monkeys are playing catch one day. the number of monkeys increases in a sequence such that the number of monkeys the next day is equal to the number of monkeys the previous day choose 2. in how many days will the number of monkeys exceed 1 million?
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superhuman233
Jun 26, 2025
superhuman233
2 hours ago
Easy Number Theory
Darealzolt   10
N 2 hours ago by sadas123
Find the smallest composite number \(n\), such that \(2025!\) is not divisible by \(n\).
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Darealzolt
Jun 29, 2025
sadas123
2 hours ago
2500 VIMC mathematics competition
OWOW   23
N 4 hours ago by Andrew2019
Hello! This is my second math competition I made up, this time, set in the year 2500 on a Venus base in the upper atmosphere.
This is basically AMC8 for Venusians.

2500 VIMC
1. What is the sum of all perfect squares less than 2500 in the form 9p^2 where p is prime?
2. Equilateral triangle ABC has Area of 6. If point D is the midpoint of AB, then line L is CD, which cuts the equilateral triangle in half. What is the sum of the perimeters of ACD and BCD?
3. A Quadnumber is a number whose digits sum to 4. How many positive 3-digit quadnumbers are there? (ex. 310 is a quadnumber because it is positive, 3-digit, and the digits sum to 4)
4. A wheel has 100 equal sections with the numbers from 1 to 100 written on them. If you spin the wheel N times, what is the probability that you will land on a prime number on any of the N spins?
5. Car A travels at a constant 10mph. Car B is a probabilistic car, and at the start of every hour, it gets the option for a 10% chance of traveling at 5 mph, an 80% chance of traveling at 10 mph, and a 10% chance of traveling at 15 mph. Once Car B decides on a speed, it acts like a normal car for the rest of the hour with a constant speed at which it picked at the start of the hour, and then the same options happen at the start of the next hour, and so on. Car A and Car B leave at the same time, and they both go in the same direction. What is the probability that Car B is right next to Car A (same speed, same position) for only 3 hours in the next 6 hours?
6. If x = 2 (mod 3), and x = 3 (mod 4), and x = 4 (mod 5), what is the least positive value of x.
7. If f(x)=3x-1 and g(x) is x^2-3x+3, what is f(g(5)-f(4))+g(f(3)-g(2))+1?

This competition is shorter than the Mars version (MIMC 2200) which was 10 questions. But this one I believe is harder than the MIMC. (designed to be, anyway) Btw here is the entire MIMC competition in case you missed it a couple weeks ago.

1. 25^2-10^2=?
2. If ball A costs $1.50, and ball B costs $1.75, what is the average cost per ball if you buy 10 of ball A and 4 of ball B? Please write as an improper fraction
3. How many divisors does 2200^3 have?
4. If f(2200-k)=10(k-2), then what is f(f(2^11))?
5. If three distinct positive primes, (p,q,r), sum to 50, what is the greatest possible value of (r^p)-(q^p) such that p<q<r?
6. What positive integer x satisfies: x^5-(x+4)^3+10^(5-3)=0
7. If a circle with radius 1 is inscribed in a square, which is inscribed in another circle, what is the area of the outer circle minus the area of the inner circle?
8. What is the sum of b and c such that the roots of x^2+bx+c=0 sum to 11c and multiply to 12b-7?
9. If the operation a#b = (a-b+1)^2/(b-a+1)^2, what is the largest possible value of (3#x) given that x is a positive integer?
10. How many 4-digit numbers have the property that the sum of the thousands and tens digits combined is the square of the sum of the hundreds and ones digits combined?

Pls write all solutions like this:
ex. S1 (Contest: either VIMC or MIMC)


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Solution Tally (solved correctly):
MIMC: 1,2,3,4,7,8 (6/10 solved)
VIMC: 1,3,6 (3/7 solved)
23 replies
OWOW
Yesterday at 8:20 PM
Andrew2019
4 hours ago
9 zeroes!.
ericheathclifffry   68
N 4 hours ago by Ryanzzz
Redacted
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ericheathclifffry
May 5, 2025
Ryanzzz
4 hours ago
Exponent of 1 and -1
Silverfalcon   34
N 4 hours ago by Ryanzzz
$(-1)^{5^2} + 1^{2^5} =$

$\textbf{(A)}\ -7 \qquad
\textbf{(B)}\ -2 \qquad
\textbf{(C)}\ 0 \qquad
\textbf{(D)}\ 1 \qquad
\textbf{(E)}\ 57$
34 replies
Silverfalcon
Oct 22, 2005
Ryanzzz
4 hours ago
Factorial fraction
Silverfalcon   35
N 4 hours ago by Ryanzzz
$\frac{(3!)!}{3!} =$

$\text{(A)}\ 1 \qquad \text{(B)}\ 2 \qquad \text{(C)}\ 6\qquad \text{(D)}\ 40\qquad \text{(E)}\ 120$
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9 AlphaStar vs Aops vs AwesomeMath
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N 6 hours ago by NoodlesSKY
I have heard a lot about AlphaStar and AwesomeMath, and of course aops(otherwise you wouldn't be here). Which one do you think is better.
If you have anything to say about these programs, please post it down below. Thank you!
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Random but useful theorems
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N Today at 1:12 AM by whwlqkd
There have been all these random but useful theorems
Please post any theorems you know, random or not, but please say whether they are random or not.
I'll start give an example:
Random
I am just looking for some theorems to study.
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Problem 1: Triangle triviality
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Source: IMO 2006, 1. day
Let $ABC$ be triangle with incenter $I$. A point $P$ in the interior of the triangle satisfies \[\angle PBA+\angle PCA = \angle PBC+\angle PCB.\] Show that $AP \geq AI$, and that equality holds if and only if $P=I$.
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Problem 1: Triangle triviality
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Let $ABC$ be triangle with incenter $I$. A point $P$ in the interior of the triangle satisfies \[\angle PBA+\angle PCA = \angle PBC+\angle PCB.\] Show that $AP \geq AI$, and that equality holds if and only if $P=I$.
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Let CP meet the circumcircle of triangle ABC at P', then <P'BP=<P'BA+<PBA=<PCA+<PBA=<PBC+<PCB=<P'PB. Thus P'P=P'B. Since <P'=<A, so we have $\angle{BPC}=90^{o}+\frac{A}{2}=\angle{BIC}$. Thus B, P, I, C lie on the same circle (Let's say with centre $D$). But it is a well-known result that $D$ lies on line $AI$, since we have $\angle{DIP}\leq 90^{o}$, so $\angle{AIP}\geq 90^{o}$. Hence $AP \geq AI$ with equality holds iff $I=P$.
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(Almost) same solution as mine.
This was very easy.....
Seems as tough this year will be a year with many many honorable mentions.....
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Ok………………………………………………………………….

We have: $ \angle PBA + \angle PCA = \angle PBC + \angle PCB$

If we add $ \angle PBC + \angle PCB$, to both side of the equality we have:

$ 2(\angle PBC + \angle PCB) = \angle PBA + \angle PCA + \angle PBC + \angle PCB = \angle B + \angle C$

then, it means that $ \angle PBC + \angle PCB$, is fixed for each $ P$.

then we conclude that $ \angle BPC$ is also fixed, and it is clear that, the angle is equal to$ \angle BIC$

then the locus of $ P$ is arc$ BIC$.

We know that this arc is tangent to $ AB,AC$ at $ B,C$ respectively.

And also know that $ AI$ goes through the center of circle $ BIC$.

Then $ I$ is the nearest point of circle to $ A$.

And for each point $ P$ on the circle we have:

$ AI < AP$

and if $ P$ is $ I$, it is clear that $ AP = AI$.

How ever it was nice and simple.
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[spam]Finally a geo problem from IMO which I can solve.

It is a very nice restate of the fact that the intersection $J$ of the perpendicular bisector of $BC$ with $AI$ satisfies $JB=JI=JC$.[/spam]
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You don't need to construct the point P', Shobber, but of course that works.

I like the idea of having an easy question for problem 1, but isn't this too simple?
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just prove that BIPC is cyclic than let intersection of AI and circle aroun BIPC be V and AP and that circle be W.
Than using angles we can prove that IBV is 90 from which we conclude IV is diameter.(2 radius).Than IV>=PW and we use potention of point A,we have AI*AV=AP*AW and if we assume that AI>AP we easy get a contradiction.From that we conclude AP>=AI and easy solve the cases of equality :)
I hope this is enough for 7 :P
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The problem is too much easy at IMO stage.

My solution is:

Actually P is a point on the circum circle of BIC and of course inside ABC. Let P is on arc BI.

To prove, $AP \geq AI$ it is sufficient to prove $\angle{AIP}\geq \angle{API}$.

$\angle{AIP}=360-\angle{AIC}-\angle{PIC}=360-(90+B/2)-(180-\angle{PBC})=90-B/2+\angle{PBC}$

$\angle{API}=360-\angle{APB}-\angle{BPI}=360-\angle{APB}-(180-\angle{BCI})=180-\angle{APB}+C/2$

$\angle{AIP}\geq \angle{API}$
implies, $90-B/2+\angle{PBC}\geq 180-\angle{APB}+C/2$
implies, $90-B/2+\angle{PBI}+\angle{IBC}\geq 180-\angle{APB}+C/2$
implies, $\angle{PBI}+\angle{APB}\geq 90+C/2$
implies, $\angle{PBI}+\angle{APB}\geq \angle{AIB}$

But, $\angle{APB}\geq \angle{AIB}$ Since P is inside AIB.

So the above inequality is true. Equality when P is I and then $\angle{PBI}=0$
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What happened to my attached picture? It was there when posted the proof but now it is gone!
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As I read "triangle triviality" I thought that it just can't happen at the IMO;
but in a while I realized it was true - the only facts I used to solve this problem are very, very basic things like sum of angles in a triangle :huh:
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My solution was as shobbers solution but at the end i have used inequalities defferently. I hope my solutin is also true

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I had a much longer solution to this, not sure if that's a good thing though.. probably isn't. Most people here seem to have got this one right, so the limits for medals are likely to be higher this year than last.
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:o i couldn't believe that this is an imo problem when i saw it.it only took me 10 minutes to solve it(and i'm not good at geometry).i imagine all of you guys did it in....3 min :o
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It was a $\le$10 minute problem for me, too.

My take on the problem:

First, we note that $P$ must be a point on circle $BIC$; $\angle PBA+\angle PCA-\angle PBC-\angle PCB=\angle CBA+\angle BCA-2\angle PBC-2\angle PCB$
$=(180^\circ-\angle BAC)-2(180^\circ-\angle BPC)=2\angle BPC-\angle BAC-180^\circ$. This is zero if $P=I$ (by the original form), so $\angle BPC=\angle BIC$ and $BPIC$ is cyclic.

It took a lot less time to notice the fact than to write this out; anyone that has done olympiad angle chasing should see the cyclic quadrilateral immediately.

Now, we want to show that $I$ is the closest point to $A$ on circle $BIC$. Equivalently, the line $AI$ passes through the center of circle $BIC$. The center must lie on the perpendicular bisector of $BC$, which meets the bisector $AI$ of angle $BAC$ at $A'$ on the circumcircle of $ABC$ (the midpoint of arc $BC$). We want to show that $A'$ is the center of circle $BIC$.
Chasing some angles, $\angle IA'C=\angle AA'C=\angle ABC=2\angle IBC$. Similarly, $\angle IA'B=2\angle ICB$. The only point other than $I$ making these (signed) angles is the center of circle $BIC$, so $A'$ is that center and we are done.
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ooooooooooooops! I can't beleive it was IMO problem,really easy.(It took me 30 seconds to solve)

we have $\angle ABP+\angle PCA=\angle PBC+\angle PCB=90^{\circ}-\frac{A}{2}\rightarrow \angle BPC=90^{\circ}+\frac{A}{2}$
hence points $B,P,I,C$ are on a circle,we know that $AI$ pass through circumcenter of $BIC$ therefore $AI\le AP$
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