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k a March Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
Mar 2, 2025
March is the month for State MATHCOUNTS competitions! Kudos to everyone who participated in their local chapter competitions and best of luck to all going to State! Join us on March 11th for a Math Jam devoted to our favorite Chapter competition problems! Are you interested in training for MATHCOUNTS? Be sure to check out our AMC 8/MATHCOUNTS Basics and Advanced courses.

Are you ready to level up with Olympiad training? Registration is open with early bird pricing available for our WOOT programs: MathWOOT (Levels 1 and 2), CodeWOOT, PhysicsWOOT, and ChemWOOT. What is WOOT? WOOT stands for Worldwide Online Olympiad Training and is a 7-month high school math Olympiad preparation and testing program that brings together many of the best students from around the world to learn Olympiad problem solving skills. Classes begin in September!

Do you have plans this summer? There are so many options to fit your schedule and goals whether attending a summer camp or taking online classes, it can be a great break from the routine of the school year. Check out our summer courses at AoPS Online, or if you want a math or language arts class that doesn’t have homework, but is an enriching summer experience, our AoPS Virtual Campus summer camps may be just the ticket! We are expanding our locations for our AoPS Academies across the country with 15 locations so far and new campuses opening in Saratoga CA, Johns Creek GA, and the Upper West Side NY. Check out this page for summer camp information.

Be sure to mark your calendars for the following events:
[list][*]March 5th (Wednesday), 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, HCSSiM Math Jam 2025. Amber Verser, Assistant Director of the Hampshire College Summer Studies in Mathematics, will host an information session about HCSSiM, a summer program for high school students.
[*]March 6th (Thursday), 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Free Webinar on Math Competitions from elementary through high school. Join us for an enlightening session that demystifies the world of math competitions and helps you make informed decisions about your contest journey.
[*]March 11th (Tuesday), 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, 2025 MATHCOUNTS Chapter Discussion MATH JAM. AoPS instructors will discuss some of their favorite problems from the MATHCOUNTS Chapter Competition. All are welcome!
[*]March 13th (Thursday), 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Free Webinar about Summer Camps at the Virtual Campus. Transform your summer into an unforgettable learning adventure! From elementary through high school, we offer dynamic summer camps featuring topics in mathematics, language arts, and competition preparation - all designed to fit your schedule and ignite your passion for learning.[/list]
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jlacosta
Mar 2, 2025
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k i Peer-to-Peer Programs Forum
jwelsh   157
N Dec 11, 2023 by cw357
Many of our AoPS Community members share their knowledge with their peers in a variety of ways, ranging from creating mock contests to creating real contests to writing handouts to hosting sessions as part of our partnership with schoolhouse.world.

To facilitate students in these efforts, we have created a new Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. With the creation of this forum, we are starting a new process for those of you who want to advertise your efforts. These advertisements and ensuing discussions have been cluttering up some of the forums that were meant for other purposes, so we’re gathering these topics in one place. This also allows students to find new peer-to-peer learning opportunities without having to poke around all the other forums.

To announce your program, or to invite others to work with you on it, here’s what to do:

1) Post a new topic in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. This will be the discussion thread for your program.

2) Post a single brief post in this thread that links the discussion thread of your program in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Please note that we’ll move or delete any future advertisement posts that are outside the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, as well as any posts in this topic that are not brief announcements of new opportunities. In particular, this topic should not be used to discuss specific programs; those discussions should occur in topics in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Your post in this thread should have what you're sharing (class, session, tutoring, handout, math or coding game/other program) and a link to the thread in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, which should have more information (like where to find what you're sharing).
157 replies
jwelsh
Mar 15, 2021
cw357
Dec 11, 2023
k i C&P posting recs by mods
v_Enhance   0
Jun 12, 2020
The purpose of this post is to lay out a few suggestions about what kind of posts work well for the C&P forum. Except in a few cases these are mostly meant to be "suggestions based on historical trends" rather than firm hard rules; we may eventually replace this with an actual list of firm rules but that requires admin approval :) That said, if you post something in the "discouraged" category, you should not be totally surprised if it gets locked; they are discouraged exactly because past experience shows they tend to go badly.
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1. Program discussion: Allowed
If you have questions about specific camps or programs (e.g. which classes are good at X camp?), these questions fit well here. Many camps/programs have specific sub-forums too but we understand a lot of them are not active.
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2. Results discussion: Allowed
You can make threads about e.g. how you did on contests (including AMC), though on AMC day when there is a lot of discussion. Moderators and administrators may do a lot of thread-merging / forum-wrangling to keep things in one place.
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3. Reposting solutions or questions to past AMC/AIME/USAMO problems: Allowed
This forum contains a post for nearly every problem from AMC8, AMC10, AMC12, AIME, USAJMO, USAMO (and these links give you an index of all these posts). It is always permitted to post a full solution to any problem in its own thread (linked above), regardless of how old the problem is, and even if this solution is similar to one that has already been posted. We encourage this type of posting because it is helpful for the user to explain their solution in full to an audience, and for future users who want to see multiple approaches to a problem or even just the frequency distribution of common approaches. We do ask for some explanation; if you just post "the answer is (B); ez" then you are not adding anything useful.

You are also encouraged to post questions about a specific problem in the specific thread for that problem, or about previous user's solutions. It's almost always better to use the existing thread than to start a new one, to keep all the discussion in one place easily searchable for future visitors.
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4. Advice posts: Allowed, but read below first
You can use this forum to ask for advice about how to prepare for math competitions in general. But you should be aware that this question has been asked many many times. Before making a post, you are encouraged to look at the following:
[list]
[*] Stop looking for the right training: A generic post about advice that keeps getting stickied :)
[*] There is an enormous list of links on the Wiki of books / problems / etc for all levels.
[/list]
When you do post, we really encourage you to be as specific as possible in your question. Tell us about your background, what you've tried already, etc.

Actually, the absolute best way to get a helpful response is to take a few examples of problems that you tried to solve but couldn't, and explain what you tried on them / why you couldn't solve them. Here is a great example of a specific question.
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5. Publicity: use P2P forum instead
See https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c5h2489297_peertopeer_programs_forum.
Some exceptions have been allowed in the past, but these require approval from administrators. (I am not totally sure what the criteria is. I am not an administrator.)
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6. Mock contests: use Mock Contests forum instead
Mock contests should be posted in the dedicated forum instead:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c594864_aops_mock_contests
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7. AMC procedural questions: suggest to contact the AMC HQ instead
If you have a question like "how do I submit a change of venue form for the AIME" or "why is my name not on the qualifiers list even though I have a 300 index", you would be better off calling or emailing the AMC program to ask, they are the ones who can help you :)
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8. Discussion of random math problems: suggest to use MSM/HSM/HSO instead
If you are discussing a specific math problem that isn't from the AMC/AIME/USAMO, it's better to post these in Middle School Math, High School Math, High School Olympiads instead.
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9. Politics: suggest to use Round Table instead
There are important conversations to be had about things like gender diversity in math contests, etc., for sure. However, from experience we think that C&P is historically not a good place to have these conversations, as they go off the rails very quickly. We encourage you to use the Round Table instead, where it is much more clear that all posts need to be serious.
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10. MAA complaints: discouraged
We don't want to pretend that the MAA is perfect or that we agree with everything they do. However, we chose to discourage this sort of behavior because in practice most of the comments we see are not useful and some are frankly offensive.
[list] [*] If you just want to blow off steam, do it on your blog instead.
[*] When you have criticism, it should be reasoned, well-thought and constructive. What we mean by this is, for example, when the AOIME was announced, there was great outrage about potential cheating. Well, do you really think that this is something the organizers didn't think about too? Simply posting that "people will cheat and steal my USAMOO qualification, the MAA are idiots!" is not helpful as it is not bringing any new information to the table.
[*] Even if you do have reasoned, well-thought, constructive criticism, we think it is actually better to email it the MAA instead, rather than post it here. Experience shows that even polite, well-meaning suggestions posted in C&P are often derailed by less mature users who insist on complaining about everything.
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11. Memes and joke posts: discouraged
It's fine to make jokes or lighthearted posts every so often. But it should be done with discretion. Ideally, jokes should be done within a longer post that has other content. For example, in my response to one user's question about olympiad combinatorics, I used a silly picture of Sogiita Gunha, but it was done within a context of a much longer post where it was meant to actually make a point.

On the other hand, there are many threads which consist largely of posts whose only content is an attached meme with the word "MAA" in it. When done in excess like this, the jokes reflect poorly on the community, so we explicitly discourage them.
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12. Questions that no one can answer: discouraged
Examples of this: "will MIT ask for AOIME scores?", "what will the AIME 2021 cutoffs be (asked in 2020)", etc. Basically, if you ask a question on this forum, it's better if the question is something that a user can plausibly answer :)
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13. Blind speculation: discouraged
Along these lines, if you do see a question that you don't have an answer to, we discourage "blindly guessing" as it leads to spreading of baseless rumors. For example, if you see some user posting "why are there fewer qualifiers than usual this year?", you should not reply "the MAA must have been worried about online cheating so they took fewer people!!". Was sich überhaupt sagen lässt, lässt sich klar sagen; und wovon man nicht reden kann, darüber muss man schweigen.
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14. Discussion of cheating: strongly discouraged
If you have evidence or reasonable suspicion of cheating, please report this to your Competition Manager or to the AMC HQ; these forums cannot help you.
Otherwise, please avoid public discussion of cheating. That is: no discussion of methods of cheating, no speculation about how cheating affects cutoffs, and so on --- it is not helpful to anyone, and it creates a sour atmosphere. A longer explanation is given in Seriously, please stop discussing how to cheat.
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15. Cutoff jokes: never allowed
Whenever the cutoffs for any major contest are released, it is very obvious when they are official. In the past, this has been achieved by the numbers being posted on the official AMC website (here) or through a post from the AMCDirector account.

You must never post fake cutoffs, even as a joke. You should also refrain from posting cutoffs that you've heard of via email, etc., because it is better to wait for the obvious official announcement. A longer explanation is given in A Treatise on Cutoff Trolling.
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16. Meanness: never allowed
Being mean is worse than being immature and unproductive. If another user does something which you think is inappropriate, use the Report button to bring the post to moderator attention, or if you really must reply, do so in a way that is tactful and constructive rather than inflammatory.
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Finally, we remind you all to sit back and enjoy the problems. :D

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(EDIT 2024-09-13: AoPS has asked to me to add the following item.)

Advertising paid program or service: never allowed

Per the AoPS Terms of Service (rule 5h), general advertisements are not allowed.

While we do allow advertisements of official contests (at the MAA and MATHCOUNTS level) and those run by college students with at least one successful year, any and all advertisements of a paid service or program is not allowed and will be deleted.
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v_Enhance
Jun 12, 2020
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k i Stop looking for the "right" training
v_Enhance   50
N Oct 16, 2017 by blawho12
Source: Contest advice
EDIT 2019-02-01: https://blog.evanchen.cc/2019/01/31/math-contest-platitudes-v3/ is the updated version of this.

EDIT 2021-06-09: see also https://web.evanchen.cc/faq-contest.html.

Original 2013 post
50 replies
v_Enhance
Feb 15, 2013
blawho12
Oct 16, 2017
Red Mop Chances
imagien_bad   7
N 3 minutes ago by imagien_bad
What are my chances of making red mop with a 35 on jmo?
7 replies
imagien_bad
3 hours ago
imagien_bad
3 minutes ago
2025 Math and AI 4 Girls Competition: Win Up To $1,000!!!
audio-on   11
N 8 minutes ago by ev2028
Join the 2025 Math and AI 4 Girls Competition for a chance to win up to $1,000!

Hey Everyone, I'm pleased to announce the dates for the 2025 MA4G Competition are set!
Applications will open on March 22nd, 2025, and they will close on April 26th, 2025 (@ 11:59pm PST).

Applicants will have one month to fill out an application with prizes for the top 50 contestants & cash prizes for the top 20 contestants (including $1,000 for the winner!). More details below!

Eligibility:
The competition is free to enter, and open to middle school female students living in the US (5th-8th grade).
Award recipients are selected based on their aptitude, activities and aspirations in STEM.

Event dates:
Applications will open on March 22nd, 2025, and they will close on April 26th, 2025 (by 11:59pm PST)
Winners will be announced on June 28, 2025 during an online award ceremony.

Application requirements:
Complete a 12 question problem set on math and computer science/AI related topics
Write 2 short essays

Prizes:
1st place: $1,000 Cash prize
2nd place: $500 Cash prize
3rd place: $300 Cash prize
4th-10th: $100 Cash prize each
11th-20th: $50 Cash prize each
Top 50 contestants: Over $50 worth of gadgets and stationary


Many thanks to our current and past sponsors and partners: Hudson River Trading, MATHCOUNTS, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Automation Anywhere, JP Morgan Chase, D.E. Shaw, and AI4ALL.

Math and AI 4 Girls is a nonprofit organization aiming to encourage young girls to develop an interest in math and AI by taking part in STEM competitions and activities at an early age. The organization will be hosting an inaugural Math and AI 4 Girls competition to identify talent and encourage long-term planning of academic and career goals in STEM.

Contact:
mathandAI4girls@yahoo.com

For more information on the competition:
https://www.mathandai4girls.org/math-and-ai-4-girls-competition

More information on how to register will be posted on the website. If you have any questions, please ask here!


11 replies
audio-on
Jan 26, 2025
ev2028
8 minutes ago
2025 USA(J)MO Cutoff Predictions
KevinChen_Yay   100
N 32 minutes ago by imagien_bad
What do y'all think JMO winner and MOP cuts will be?

(Also, to satisfy the USAMO takers; what about the bronze, silver, gold, green mop, blue mop, black mop?)
100 replies
KevinChen_Yay
Yesterday at 12:33 PM
imagien_bad
32 minutes ago
Tennessee Math Tournament (TMT) Online 2025
TennesseeMathTournament   38
N an hour ago by Cerberusman
Hello everyone! We are excited to announce a new competition, the Tennessee Math Tournament, created by the Tennessee Math Coalition! Anyone can participate in the virtual competition for free.

The testing window is from March 22nd to April 5th, 2025. Virtual competitors may participate in the competition at any time during that window.

The virtual competition consists of three rounds: Individual, Bullet, and Team. The Individual Round is 60 minutes long and consists of 30 questions (AMC 10 level). The Bullet Round is 20 minutes long and consists of 80 questions (Mathcounts Chapter level). The Team Round is 30 minutes long and consists of 16 questions (AMC 12 level). Virtual competitors may compete in teams of four, or choose to not participate in the team round.

To register and see more information, click here!

If you have any questions, please email connect@tnmathcoalition.org or reply to this thread!

Thank you to our lead sponsor, Jane Street!

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TennesseeMathTournament
Mar 9, 2025
Cerberusman
an hour ago
usamOOK geometry
KevinYang2.71   72
N an hour ago by ehuseyinyigit
Source: USAMO 2025/4, USAJMO 2025/5
Let $H$ be the orthocenter of acute triangle $ABC$, let $F$ be the foot of the altitude from $C$ to $AB$, and let $P$ be the reflection of $H$ across $BC$. Suppose that the circumcircle of triangle $AFP$ intersects line $BC$ at two distinct points $X$ and $Y$. Prove that $C$ is the midpoint of $XY$.
72 replies
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KevinYang2.71
Yesterday at 12:00 PM
ehuseyinyigit
an hour ago
TOTAL PATHS
deetimodi   7
N 2 hours ago by aidan0626
Can anyone pls tell me how to do this problem?
7 replies
deetimodi
3 hours ago
aidan0626
2 hours ago
[CONCLUDED] VENAMC 10+2
ethan2011   126
N 2 hours ago by Math-lover1
Well, AMC's are in 4 months. Would you like to prepare with a mock test written and tested by JMO and Mathcounts National Countdown Round Qualifiers? Well, take the VENAMC 10+2!
If you're wondering, VENAMC 10+2: Very Exciting New American Mathematics Competition written by the VEN comittee: Problem Writers and Test Solvers/Testers(you may see them on the leaderboard). We had the 10+2 because while the difficulty is probably harder than AMC 12, there is no precalculus.
Leaderboard(52)
Errata
The test has been released! You can still sign up if you want. If you would like to take it, please sign up: Signups(0)
To submit your answers, send a PM to ethan2011 with
1. Your answers
2. If you would like to stay anonymous on leaderboard, or if you'd like your name to be shown
3. On a scale of 1 to 10, how difficult the test was(1 being easiest and 10 being hardest)
4. On a scale of 1 to 10, how high quality the test was(1 being terrible and 10 being great)
5. If you would recommend this to a friend(if you would, then please do!)
6. What your favorite problem was
7. What your least favorite problem was
8. Guess which problem Vincent wrote(if you do, you may get extra credit, but I doubt anyone will).
People who have guessed correctly which problem Vincent wrote
The test is below.
The private discussion forum has been created! It will only be given access to those that have submitted the test, or those who do not have the time to discuss the test and want to discuss some problems(if you are of the second type, then you must ask me for permission of course). You can discuss the problems there. The link to it is here: VENAMC Discussion Forum
Projected Cutoffs
The contest has concluded! You can still submit, and I may respond to it, but you just won't be shown on the leaderboard. If you want access to the private discussion forum, please PM me.
126 replies
ethan2011
Jul 10, 2024
Math-lover1
2 hours ago
Scary Binomial Coefficient Sum
EpicBird08   33
N 2 hours ago by awesomeming327.
Source: USAMO 2025/5
Determine, with proof, all positive integers $k$ such that $$\frac{1}{n+1} \sum_{i=0}^n \binom{n}{i}^k$$is an integer for every positive integer $n.$
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EpicBird08
Yesterday at 11:59 AM
awesomeming327.
2 hours ago
Day Before Tips
elasticwealth   75
N 4 hours ago by hashbrown2009
Hi Everyone,

USA(J)MO is tomorrow. I am a Junior, so this is my last chance. I made USAMO by ZERO points but I've actually been studying oly seriously since JMO last year. I am more stressed than I was before AMC/AIME because I feel Olympiad is more unpredictable and harder to prepare for. I am fairly confident in my ability to solve 1/4 but whether I can solve the rest really leans on the topic distribution.

Anyway, I'm just super stressed and not sure what to do. All tips are welcome!

Thanks everyone! Good luck tomorrow!
75 replies
elasticwealth
Mar 19, 2025
hashbrown2009
4 hours ago
BOMBARDIRO CROCODILO VS TRALALERO TRALALA
LostDreams   53
N 4 hours ago by hashbrown2009
Source: USAJMO 2025/4
Let $n$ be a positive integer, and let $a_0,\,a_1,\dots,\,a_n$ be nonnegative integers such that $a_0\ge a_1\ge \dots\ge a_n.$ Prove that
\[
\sum_{i=0}^n i\binom{a_i}{2}\le\frac{1}{2}\binom{a_0+a_1+\dots+a_n}{2}.
\]Note: $\binom{k}{2}=\frac{k(k-1)}{2}$ for all nonnegative integers $k$.
53 replies
LostDreams
Yesterday at 12:11 PM
hashbrown2009
4 hours ago
MATHCOUNTS halp
AndrewZhong2012   18
N 4 hours ago by MathematicGenius
I know this post has been made before, but I personally can't find it. I qualified for mathcounts through wildcard in PA, and I can't figure out how to do those last handful of states sprint problems that seem to be one trick ponies(2024 P28 and P29 are examples) They seem very prevalent recently. Does anyone have advice on how to figure out problems like these in the moment?
18 replies
AndrewZhong2012
Mar 5, 2025
MathematicGenius
4 hours ago
F-ma exam and math
MathNerdRabbit103   5
N 5 hours ago by MathNerdRabbit103
Hi guys,
Do I need to know calculus to take the F-ma exam? I am only on the intro to algebra book. Also, I want to do good on the USAPHO exam. So can I skip the waves section of HRK?
Thanks
5 replies
MathNerdRabbit103
Yesterday at 10:05 PM
MathNerdRabbit103
5 hours ago
high tech FE as J1?!
imagien_bad   57
N 5 hours ago by williamxiao
Source: USAJMO 2025/1
Let $\mathbb Z$ be the set of integers, and let $f\colon \mathbb Z \to \mathbb Z$ be a function. Prove that there are infinitely many integers $c$ such that the function $g\colon \mathbb Z \to \mathbb Z$ defined by $g(x) = f(x) + cx$ is not bijective.
Note: A function $g\colon \mathbb Z \to \mathbb Z$ is bijective if for every integer $b$, there exists exactly one integer $a$ such that $g(a) = b$.
57 replies
imagien_bad
Mar 20, 2025
williamxiao
5 hours ago
lil trip to ancient egypt
ChuMath   11
N 6 hours ago by Craftybutterfly
Source: 2025 AMC 8 Problem #2
The table below shows the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs that were used to represent different numbers.

(need asymptote)

For example, the number 32 was represented by (need again). What number was represented by the following combination of hieroglyphs?

(and once again)

$\textbf{(A) } 1,423\qquad\textbf{(B) } 10,423\qquad\textbf{(C) } 14,023\qquad\textbf{(D) } 14,203\qquad\textbf{(E) } 14,230$

my bad @sillysharky
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Quadrilateral APBQ
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Source: USAMO 2015 Problem 2, JMO Problem 3
Quadrilateral $APBQ$ is inscribed in circle $\omega$ with $\angle P = \angle Q = 90^{\circ}$ and $AP = AQ < BP$. Let $X$ be a variable point on segment $\overline{PQ}$. Line $AX$ meets $\omega$ again at $S$ (other than $A$). Point $T$ lies on arc $AQB$ of $\omega$ such that $\overline{XT}$ is perpendicular to $\overline{AX}$. Let $M$ denote the midpoint of chord $\overline{ST}$. As $X$ varies on segment $\overline{PQ}$, show that $M$ moves along a circle.
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Quadrilateral APBQ
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Source: USAMO 2015 Problem 2, JMO Problem 3
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Quadrilateral $APBQ$ is inscribed in circle $\omega$ with $\angle P = \angle Q = 90^{\circ}$ and $AP = AQ < BP$. Let $X$ be a variable point on segment $\overline{PQ}$. Line $AX$ meets $\omega$ again at $S$ (other than $A$). Point $T$ lies on arc $AQB$ of $\omega$ such that $\overline{XT}$ is perpendicular to $\overline{AX}$. Let $M$ denote the midpoint of chord $\overline{ST}$. As $X$ varies on segment $\overline{PQ}$, show that $M$ moves along a circle.
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Anyone succesfully bash this?

I noticed that inverting about $A$ with radius $AP$ made something interesting, but I am not too sure.
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How much would I get for pointing out the similar triangles and claiming that $M'$, $M$, and the midpoints of $BQ$ and $BP$ are concyclic?
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DrMath wrote:
Anyone succesfully bash this?
Yes.

Toss on the complex unit circle with $a = -1$, $b=1$, $z = -\tfrac12$. Let $s$ and $t$ be on the unit circle. We claim $Z$ is the center. It follows from standard formulas that \[ x = \frac 12 \left( s + t - 1 + s/t \right) \] thus \[ 4\operatorname{Re} x + 2 = s + t + \frac 1s + \frac 1t + \frac st + \frac ts \] which depends only on $P$ and $Q$, and not on $X$. Thus \[ 4\left\lvert z-\frac{s+t}{2} \right\rvert^2 = \left\lvert s+t+1 \right\rvert^2 = 3 + (4\operatorname{Re}x+2) \] does not depend on $X$, done.
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Reason: tfrac 12 instead of frac 12
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brian22 wrote:
I KNEW IT WAS AT -1/2! I'm just bad at geo so I couldn't prove it :(
Did you write that down? I think that might be the kind of thing that would be worth a point.

Actually IMO realizing the center is $-\tfrac 12$ is the entire difficulty of the problem -- it's totally unexpected that the center doesn't even depend on $P$ and $Q$! (This is why drawing good diagrams is important!) I cheated and used GeoGebra so I saw this in about five minutes, but once you realize this it's really quite direct if you've done enough complex numbers.
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Sketch: $AX\cdot AS=AP^2$ is fixed. So if $N$ is the midpoint of $AS$ then $AX\cdot AN$ is fixed, i.e. the power of $A$ wrt the nine point circle $\gamma$ of $AST$ is fixed. Let $R$ be the radius of $\omega$. The radius of $\gamma$ is $\tfrac{R}{2}$. If $R$ is the nine point center of $AST$, then the power of $A$ wrt $\gamma$ is $AR^2-\tfrac{R^2}{4}$. Since $R$ is fixed, so is $AR$. If $G$ is the centroid of $AST$, then $G$ lies on segment $RO$ with $GR:GO=\tfrac{1}{2}$. Also $\tfrac{AG}{GM}=2$. $R$ lies on the circle $\Omega$ centered at $A$ with radius $AR$ ($AR$ is fixed). Two homotheties, centered at $O$ and $A$, send the locus of $P$ to the locus of $M$. Since the locus of $P$ is a subset of $\Omega$, the locus of $M$ is a subset of some circle (circles are sent to circles under homotheties). So done.
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@v_Enhance I wrote that it had to pass through $P$ and $Q$... :(. I was less sure of the $-\frac{1}{2}$ thing, so I didn't write it down.
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v_Enhance wrote:
brian22 wrote:
I KNEW IT WAS AT -1/2! I'm just bad at geo so I couldn't prove it :(
Did you write that down? I think that might be the kind of thing that would be worth a point.

Actually IMO realizing the center is $-\tfrac 12$ is the entire difficulty of the problem -- it's totally unexpected that the center doesn't even depend on $P$ and $Q$! (This is why drawing good diagrams is important!) I cheated and used GeoGebra so I saw this in about five minutes, but once you realize this it's really quite direct if you've done enough complex numbers.

What is the intuition after you realize the center is at -1/2? I realize that, but couldn't continue anywhere with my bash. What made you set s,t and solve for x, as opposed to setting x and solve for m?
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I tried coordinate bashing and got a big expression for $MZ$ where $Z=-1/2$ but didn't explicity show that $MZ$ was constant. How many points would that get?
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If you do special points on the segment then you get that it's the circumcircle of PQC where C is the midpoint of BP or something like that, so then you can get the center is 1/2
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Yeah, take $X\rightarrow P, Q, N$ where $N$ is the midpoint of $PQ$.
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mota60ceng wrote:
What is the intuition after you realize the center is at -1/2? I realize that, but couldn't continue anywhere with my bash. What made you set s,t and solve for x, as opposed to setting x and solve for m?

The point is that the center doesn't even depend on $P$ and $Q$! Clearly, then $P$ and $Q$ cannot be very important :)

In other words, with this insight the problem becomes ``show that $ZM$ depends only on the real part of $x$''. For this $s$ and $t$ make much nicer free variables.
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Is it true that A, M, the midpoint of BP, and the midpoint of BQ are concyclic?
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math2468 wrote:
Is it true that A, M, the midpoint of BP, and the midpoint of BQ are concyclic?
No, unfortunately. :(
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Not A... Anyways, it was actually pretty easy by trying trivial possible X to figure out that the center was the midpoint of AO. Then 4 hours later, no progress (darn I thought geo was my strength). Finally, in the last half hour I proceed that if you extend TX to T', call M' the midpoint of ST' (they were trying to trick you into only working with the given T), then the midpoint of AO is equidistant from M and M'. I thought continuity with proof by contradiction might work but that seemed like fake-solve, but time was up anyways. But you find that P, Q, M, M', midpoint of BP, BQ lie on the circle. I guess since I ended with midpoint of AO equidistant from M, M', I would get 2 or 3? Any guesses?

Pythagoras I pray to you please help me with geo, like you and Euclid did last year.
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