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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

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[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


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IMO ShortList 2001, combinatorics problem 2
orl   57
N 30 minutes ago by NicoN9
Source: IMO ShortList 2001, combinatorics problem 2
Let $n$ be an odd integer greater than 1 and let $c_1, c_2, \ldots, c_n$ be integers. For each permutation $a = (a_1, a_2, \ldots, a_n)$ of $\{1,2,\ldots,n\}$, define $S(a) = \sum_{i=1}^n c_i a_i$. Prove that there exist permutations $a \neq b$ of $\{1,2,\ldots,n\}$ such that $n!$ is a divisor of $S(a)-S(b)$.
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Putnam 2008 A5
Kent Merryfield   32
N 36 minutes ago by Ihatecombin
Let $ n\ge 3$ be an integer. Let $ f(x)$ and $ g(x)$ be polynomials with real coefficients such that the points $ (f(1),g(1)),(f(2),g(2)),\dots,(f(n),g(n))$ in $ \mathbb{R}^2$ are the vertices of a regular $ n$-gon in counterclockwise order. Prove that at least one of $ f(x)$ and $ g(x)$ has degree greater than or equal to $ n-1.$
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Harmonic Series and Infinite Sequences
steven_zhang123   2
N 40 minutes ago by NTstrucker
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Let $\left \{ x_n \right \} _{n\ge 1}$ and $\left \{ y_n \right \} _{n\ge 1}$ be two infinite sequences of integers. Prove that there exists an infinite sequence of integers $\left \{ z_n \right \} _{n\ge 1}$ such that for any positive integer \( n \), the following holds:

\[
\sum_{k|n} k \cdot z_k^{\frac{n}{k}} = \left( \sum_{k|n} k \cdot x_k^{\frac{n}{k}} \right) \cdot \left( \sum_{k|n} k \cdot y_k^{\frac{n}{k}} \right).
\]
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Finding pairs of complex numbers with a certain property
Ciobi_   1
N 44 minutes ago by NTstrucker
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Find all pairs of complex numbers $(z,w) \in \mathbb{C}^2$ such that the relation \[|z^{2n}+z^nw^n+w^{2n} | = 2^{2n}+2^n+1 \]holds for all positive integers $n$.
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R to R FE
a_507_bc   9
N an hour ago by Teirah
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Find all functions $f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ such that $$f(f(x)+y)+xf(y)=f(xy+y)+f(x)$$for reals $x, y$.
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RenheMiResembleRice   1
N an hour ago by RenheMiResembleRice
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Solve the following attached with explanation.
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Strange limit
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Find: $\lim_{n \to \infty} n\cdot\sum_{k=1}^n \frac 1 {k(n-k)!}$
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(Original version) Same number of divisors
MNJ2357   2
N 2 hours ago by john0512
Source: 2024 Korea Summer Program Practice Test P8 (original version)
For a positive integer \( n \), let \( \tau(n) \) denote the number of positive divisors of \( n \). Determine whether there exists a positive integer triple \( a, b, c \) such that there are exactly $1012$ positive integers \( K \) not greater than $2024$ that satisfies the following: the equation
\[ \tau(x) = \tau(y) = \tau(z) = \tau(ax + by + cz) = K \]holds for some positive integers $x,y,z$.
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popop614   3
N 3 hours ago by ItzsleepyXD
Source: MINE :<
Quadrilateral $ABCD$ has an incenter $I$ Suppose $AB > BC$. Let $M$ be the midpoint of $AC$. Suppose that $MI \perp BI$. $DI$ meets $(BDM)$ again at point $T$. Let points $P$ and $Q$ be such that $T$ is the midpoint of $MP$ and $I$ is the midpoint of $MQ$. Point $S$ lies on the plane such that $AMSQ$ is a parallelogram, and suppose the angle bisectors of $MCQ$ and $MSQ$ concur on $IM$.

The angle bisectors of $\angle PAQ$ and $\angle PCQ$ meet $PQ$ at $X$ and $Y$. Prove that $PX = QY$.
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Game About Passing Pencils
WilliamSChen   0
3 hours ago
A group of $n$ children sit in a circle facing inward with $n > 2$, and each child starts with an arbitrary even number of pencils. Each minute, each child simultaneously passes exactly half of all of their pencils to the child to their right. Then, all children that have an odd number of pencils receive one more pencil.
Prove that after a finite amount of time, the children will all have the same number of pencils.

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An nxn Checkboard
MithsApprentice   26
N 3 hours ago by NicoN9
Source: USAMO 1999 Problem 1
Some checkers placed on an $n \times n$ checkerboard satisfy the following conditions:

(a) every square that does not contain a checker shares a side with one that does;

(b) given any pair of squares that contain checkers, there is a sequence of squares containing checkers, starting and ending with the given squares, such that every two consecutive squares of the sequence share a side.

Prove that at least $(n^{2}-2)/3$ checkers have been placed on the board.
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Is this FE solvable?
Mathdreams   4
N 3 hours ago by Mathdreams
Find all $f:\mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ such that \[f(2x+y) + f(x+f(2y)) = f(x)f(y) - xy\]for all reals $x$ and $y$.
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Tuesday at 6:58 PM
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Coaxial circles related to Gergon point
Headhunter   0
3 hours ago
Source: I tried but can't find the source...
Hi, everyone.

In $\triangle$$ABC$, $Ge$ is the Gergon point and the incircle $(I)$ touch $BC$, $CA$, $AB$ at $D$, $E$, $F$ respectively.
Let the circumcircles of $\triangle IDGe$, $\triangle IEGe$, $\triangle IFGe$ be $O_{1}$ , $O_{2}$ , $O_{3}$ respectively.

Reflect $O_{1}$ in $ID$ and then we get the circle $O'_{1}$
Reflect $O_{2}$ in $IE$ and then the circle $O'_{2}$
Reflect $O_{3}$ in $IF$ and then the circle $O'_{3}$

Prove that $O'_{1}$ , $O'_{2}$ , $O'_{3}$ are coaxial.
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Headhunter
3 hours ago
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Equivalent definition for C^1 functions
Ciobi_   1
N 4 hours ago by KAME06
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Prove that, for a function $f \colon \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$, the following $2$ statements are equivalent:
a) $f$ is differentiable, with continuous first derivative.
b) For any $a\in\mathbb{R}$ and for any two sequences $(x_n)_{n\geq 1},(y_n)_{n\geq 1}$, convergent to $a$, such that $x_n \neq y_n$ for any positive integer $n$, the sequence $\left(\frac{f(x_n)-f(y_n)}{x_n-y_n}\right)_{n\geq 1}$ is convergent.
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Ciobi_
Yesterday at 1:54 PM
KAME06
4 hours ago
Question about Riemann Hypothesis
hashtagmath   11
N May 28, 2021 by greenturtle3141
I am just learning about the Riemann Hypothesis and a question that has been nagging me is why can't we just find the zeroes of the functional equation and see if it holds against the hypothesis? It seems to me that finding the zeroes of that equations would easily prove/disprove the hypothesis. But obviously, it's more complex (no pun intended) than that. Can someone provide a glimpse into the difficulty of the problem?

Thanks again :D
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hashtagmath
May 26, 2021
greenturtle3141
May 28, 2021
Question about Riemann Hypothesis
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I am just learning about the Riemann Hypothesis and a question that has been nagging me is why can't we just find the zeroes of the functional equation and see if it holds against the hypothesis? It seems to me that finding the zeroes of that equations would easily prove/disprove the hypothesis. But obviously, it's more complex (no pun intended) than that. Can someone provide a glimpse into the difficulty of the problem?

Thanks again :D
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I suppose that by the functional equation you mean Riemann's Functional Equation for the Zeta Function:
\[\pi^{-s/2} \Gamma\left(\frac{s}{2}\right)\zeta(s)=\pi^{-(1-s)/2} \Gamma\left(\frac{1-s}{2}\right)\zeta(1-s).\]If so, I don't understand what you mean by "finding the zeroes of that equation".
If we ignore for the moment the powers of $\pi$ and the Gamma Function (which we can assume to be well-understood, in particular regardings its zeroes and poles), the functional equation relates the values of $\zeta(s)$ and $\zeta(1-s)$.
In particular, it tells us that a zero of $\zeta$ at $s$ gives us a zero at $1-s$ (unless we are at a pole of the Gamma Function which would cancel the zero, this happens exactly at the even negative integers, giving the so-called "trivial zeroes").
So we do know that the non-trivial zeroes of $\zeta$ possess some structure: For $s$ a zero, also $1-s$ is a zero.
We also know that since $\overline{\zeta(s)}=\zeta(\overline{s})$, for $s$ a zero, also $\overline{s}$ is a zero.
So the zeroes are symmetrical around $s=\frac{1}{2}$ in several ways.
This explains naturally why something interesting could happen at the line $\text{Re}(s)=\frac{1}{2}$ but of course it does not tell us at all whether the zeroes are on that line or not.
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I see, thank you for your thorough explanation.

I was actually thinking about the equation $\zeta(s) = 2^s\pi^{s-1}\sin\left(\frac{\pi s}{2}\right)\Gamma(1-s)\zeta(1-s)$ (which I assume is a manipulation of the equation in your post). The trivial zeroes are completely obvious in the $\sin$ part of the equation. But I now I understand the difficult part about proving the zeroes lie on one line is the part such that $\zeta(s) = \zeta(1-s)?$.
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Indeed your version is just a rearrangement of mine (the other one is more natural, for instance because it generalizes more nicely to Dirichlet L-functions). However I don't understand what you mean by "the part such that $\zeta(s)=\zeta(1-s)$".
Of course, when $\zeta(s)=0$, the equation $\zeta(s)=\zeta(1-s)$ is true, but I don't see why you would study exactly this equation.
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It may be a misunderstanding, but wouldn't finding the zeroes of this functional equation directly prove/disprove if the hypothesis is true?

Also, I meant to say, wouldn't studying the behavior of $\zeta(1-s)$ help in finding when the equation is equal to zero? Intuitively, I would expect that part is the most nontrivial as it's almost like a recursive function
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Well, as you maybe can see better from my version of the functional equation, this is really not a recurrence, but a symmetry:
You can relate $\zeta(s)$ to $\zeta(1-s)$ and vice versa, but applying it twice really does not give you anything interesting, but a tautology!
It doesn't simplify anything to work with $1-s$ instead of $s$, this is just a change of variables.
Of course there are regions where $\zeta$ is well-understood. For instance, when $\text{Re}(s)>1$ we have the Euler product from which one can read off that there are no zeroes. One can then use the functional equation to "translate" this to the region $\text{Re}(s)<0$ where there will only be the trivial zeroes.
This leaves you with the so-called "critical strip" $0<\text{Re}(s)<1$. Again you could translate from $\frac{1}{2}<\text{Re}(s)<1$ to $0<\text{Re}(s)<\frac{1}{2}$ and vice versa. Indeed, if you can prove that one of them does not contain any zeroes, then the other won't as well. The point is that we understand neither of the two regions and neither of them is a priori simpler than the other!

Maybe I should also mention that it would already be a major advance (most likely winning you a Fields medal, unless you miss the age restriction) to prove that there are no zeroes with $0.999999<\text{Re}(s)<1$.
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Not sure if I'm misunderstanding your notion, but just finding the zeros to $\zeta(s)$ is not sufficient. Computers have been able to detect over a quadrillion non-trivial zeros, all of which have a real component of $\frac{1}{2}$. Just one counterexample would disprove the hypothesis, but until we can mathematically prove that all of the non-trivial zeros have this property, the hypothesis will remain hypothetical.
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Tintarn wrote:
Well, as you maybe can see better from my version of the functional equation, this is really not a recurrence, but a symmetry:
You can relate $\zeta(s)$ to $\zeta(1-s)$ and vice versa, but applying it twice really does not give you anything interesting, but a tautology!
It doesn't simplify anything to work with $1-s$ instead of $s$, this is just a change of variables.
Of course there are regions where $\zeta$ is well-understood. For instance, when $\text{Re}(s)>1$ we have the Euler product from which one can read off that there are no zeroes. One can then use the functional equation to "translate" this to the region $\text{Re}(s)<0$ where there will only be the trivial zeroes.
This leaves you with the so-called "critical strip" $0<\text{Re}(s)<1$. Again you could translate from $\frac{1}{2}<\text{Re}(s)<1$ to $0<\text{Re}(s)<\frac{1}{2}$ and vice versa. Indeed, if you can prove that one of them does not contain any zeroes, then the other won't as well. The point is that we understand neither of the two regions and neither of them is a priori simpler than the other!

Maybe I should also mention that it would already be a major advance (most likely winning you a Fields medal, unless you miss the age restriction) to prove that there are no zeroes with $0.999999<\text{Re}(s)<1$.

Thanks for the explanation!
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Not sure if I'm misunderstanding your notion, but just finding the zeros to $\zeta(s)$ is not sufficient. Computers have been able to detect over a quadrillion non-trivial zeros, all of which have a real component of $\frac{1}{2}$. Just one counterexample would disprove the hypothesis, but until we can mathematically prove that all of the non-trivial zeros have this property, the hypothesis will remain hypothetical.

I was originally thinking to find ALL zeroes to the Riemann zeta function, it may be sufficient to set each individual part of the function equation (i.e. $2^s$, $\pi^{s-1}$, etc.) equal to zero and find the values of $s$ such that it is true. But it seems like the $\zeta(1-s)$ creates a symmetry which makes it more difficult to solve. Is my understanding correct?

And yes, you are correct about the large amount of non-trivial zeroes; in fact, Hardy proved that there are infinitely many zeroes on the critical line.

A follow-up question that I may ask about this is, would all the zeroes of the Riemann zeta function arise from the functional equation? In other words, is every zero check/verified/found through finding when the functional equation equals zero?
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That would be an extremely challenging way to calculate zeros. Instead, computers input complex numbers into the function and notice if they are trending closer towards $0$. It's just like how computers calculate limits. So they are fund randomly, not from actual calculation. The zeta function is much more irregular than a polynomial like $f(x)=x^3-2x^2+1$. We currently do not have a way of calculating zeros of zeta directly. They are just detected
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Interesting, is there a known pattern for the distribution of zeroes on the critical line? Or are they irregularly distributed?

Also, separately, is the Riemann functional equation the only possible analytic continuation of the Riemann zeta function $\left(\zeta(s) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}\right)?$ In other words, does there exist a possibility for a different equation to extend the domain of the Riemann Zeta function?
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Yes, any meromorphic function defined on a non-empty open set has at most one analytic continuation (Proof: The difference of two such analytic continuations vanishes on a non-empty open set hence is identically zero.) Nothing special about $\zeta$ here.
Regarding the zeroes: I think there is some fundamental misunderstanding. We don't (and we cannot!) "find" the zeroes from the functional equation. Again, regarding the zeroes inside the critical strip, the functional equation tells us that if $\zeta(s)=0$ then $\zeta(1-s)=0$. No more, no less. The other factors (the power of $\pi$ and the sine) are completely irrelevant for that purpose.
Instead there are clever methods that actually allow you to check for any finite number of zeroes whether they are on the critical line or not. But as already mentioned several times in this thread now, there are infinitely many zeroes so we will never prove the Hypothesis in this way.
Regarding the distribution: There is no obvious pattern, but there is some regularity. One can estimate how many zeroes roughly are there up to a certain imaginary part. Also, there are very deep conjectures about the "fine-scale statistics" i.e. how the distances between successive zeroes should behave, but this is all very speculative and certainly at least as hard to prove as the Riemann Hypothesis. (At this point we cannot even decide whether there could be a double zero, or whether the imaginary part of some of the zeroes is rational etc... we certainly expect that all of this does not happen and that these are essentially "random" numbers on the critical line.)
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Just to elaborate on the above re analytic continuation, there is a theorem in complex analysis that I like to call "rigidity" this post became longer than i thought it would be, so treat this as an advertisement for learning complex analysis because it's SO cool:

Definition (Accumulation Point): Let $S$ be a set of complex numbers. Then $z_0 \in \mathbb{C}$ is an accumulation point of $S$ if for every $r > 0$, I can find $z \in S$ with $z \ne z_0$ such that $|z-z_0| < r$.

For example, the set $\{1,1/2,1/4,1/8,\cdots\}$ has an accumulation point, namely $0$. (The definition of accumulation point generalizes to arbitrary metric spaces, which you'll encounter very often in real analysis.)

Definition (Holomorphic): Let $\Omega \subseteq \mathbb{C}$ be an open region. Then $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{C}$ is holomorphic if it is "differentiable"; that is the limit $\lim_{z \to z_0} \frac{f(z)-f(z_0)}{z-z_0}$ exists for all $z_0 \in \Omega$.

This may sound boring for such a fancy word, but the fact that the limit holds over complex numbers actually spawns a crazy amount of properties that makes the word "holomorphic" a hundred time fancier than "differentiable". For example:
- If you're holomorphic, you're also analytic, i.e. have a power series representation. (Proof left as a very hard exercise, pirate a textbook for elaboration)
- If you're analytic, you're also holomorphic... (Left as an exercise)
- Shocking Conclusion: Any complex function that can be differentiated (i.e. is holomorphic) can be differentiated infinitely many times.

Note that the shocking conclusion above does not hold in real analysis, e.g. the function $f(x) = \begin{cases}x^2, & x \geq 0 \\ -x^2, x < 0\end{cases}$ can only be differentiated once. This shows that complex analysis is super lit.

These facts also show that being holomorphic and being analytic is the same thing in the complex world, so these words are used interchangeably when we're talking about complex analysis.

Theorem (Rigidity): Let $\Omega$ be an open region, $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{C}$ be holomorphic. Suppose the zeroes of $f$ (i.e. the set $\{z \in \Omega : f(z) = 0\}$) has an accumulation point. Then $f$ is the zero function.

Proof. Pirate a textbook. $\blacksquare$

For example, suppose $f:\mathbb{C} \to \mathbb{C}$ is holomorphic.
- If I know that $f$ is zero everywhere in the unit disk $\mathbb{D} := \{z \in \mathbb{C} : |z| < 1\}$, then $f$ has to be zero everywhere else because $\mathbb{D}$ has an accumulation point (in fact any point in the closure $\overline{\mathbb{D}} = \{z \in \mathbb{C} : |z| \leq 1\}$ is an accumulation point).
- If I know that $f(i/n) = 0$ for all $n \in \mathbb{N}$, then $f$ is zero everywhere else too.

But why do we care?

Corollary: Let $\Omega$ be an open region, $f,g:\Omega \to \mathbb{C}$ be holomorphic. Suppose the set for which $f = g$ has an accumulation point. Then $f \equiv g$ everywhere.

Proof. Apply the rigidity theorem on the holomorphic function $f-g$. $\blacksquare$

This lets us show that analytic continuations are unique.

Definition (Analytic Continuation): Let $\Omega_1,\Omega_2$ be open regions with $\Omega_1 \subset \Omega_2$. Let $f_1:\Omega_1 \to \mathbb{C}$ and $f_2,\Omega_2 \to \mathbb{C}$ be holomorphic. We say that $f_2$ is the analytic continuation of $f_1$ if $f_1$ and $f_2$ agree on $\Omega_1$, i.e. $f_1(z) = f_2(z) \quad \forall z \in \Omega_1$.

Theorem: Analytic continuations are unique.

Proof. Unless you're doing something incredibly dumb, $\Omega_1$ is non-empty, and by virtue of being open (look this up if you're unfamiliar) it definitely has an accumulation point. So if $f_2,f_3$ are both continuations of $f_1$ to $\Omega_2$, then surely $f_2,f_3$ must agree on $\Omega_1$. By the corollary it follows that $f_2$ and $f_3$ agree everywhere, i.e. they're the same analytic continuation. $\blacksquare$

With regards to the Riemann Zeta function, we have the "original" definition:
$$\zeta(s) := \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^s}$$Where does this sum actually converge? Write $s = \sigma + it$. Then if $\sigma > 1$ then:
$$\left|\sum_{n=1}^N \frac{1}{n^s}\right| \leq \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{1}{|n^s|} = \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{1}{|e^{\log(n)\sigma + i\log(n)t}|} = \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{1}{e^{\log(n)\sigma}} = \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{1}{n^\sigma}$$Any I think by sending $N \to \infty$ the RHS converges via an integral test or something. Then absolute convergence implies convergence, so it follows that $\zeta(s)$ converges (and is thus well-defined) for all $s$ with real part greater than $1$.

But these silly mathematicians somehow defined $\zeta(-1)$ and stuff, how could they possibly do that? The short version is that using black magic, you can prove that
$$\zeta(s) = \frac{\pi^{s/2}\xi(s)}{\Gamma(s/2)} \qquad \forall \text{Re}(s) > 1$$and that using additional black magic you can show that $1/\Gamma$ extends everywhere (this proof is actually pretty cool) and $\xi$ extends everywhere except at $s=0,1$ or something, idk I don't remember the proof and this is above my paygrade of zero dollars an hour. Anyways what's important is that an analytic continuation of $\zeta(s)$ exists over $\mathbb{C} \setminus \{1\}$. And by the previous theorem, it's the only possible analytic continuation!

tl;dr pls study complex analysis its fun i promise might want to learn some real analysis first though
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