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k a My Retirement & New Leadership at AoPS
rrusczyk   1571
N Mar 26, 2025 by SmartGroot
I write today to announce my retirement as CEO from Art of Problem Solving. When I founded AoPS 22 years ago, I never imagined that we would reach so many students and families, or that we would find so many channels through which we discover, inspire, and train the great problem solvers of the next generation. I am very proud of all we have accomplished and I’m thankful for the many supporters who provided inspiration and encouragement along the way. I'm particularly grateful to all of the wonderful members of the AoPS Community!

I’m delighted to introduce our new leaders - Ben Kornell and Andrew Sutherland. Ben has extensive experience in education and edtech prior to joining AoPS as my successor as CEO, including starting like I did as a classroom teacher. He has a deep understanding of the value of our work because he’s an AoPS parent! Meanwhile, Andrew and I have common roots as founders of education companies; he launched Quizlet at age 15! His journey from founder to MIT to technology and product leader as our Chief Product Officer traces a pathway many of our students will follow in the years to come.

Thank you again for your support for Art of Problem Solving and we look forward to working with millions more wonderful problem solvers in the years to come.

And special thanks to all of the amazing AoPS team members who have helped build AoPS. We’ve come a long way from here:IMAGE
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k a March Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
Mar 2, 2025
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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
dcouchman   1
N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

Find instructions and a list of contests to add here: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c40244h1064480_contests_to_add
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Sep 9, 2019
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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ZetaX
Feb 27, 2007
NoDealsHere
May 4, 2019
something like MVT
mqoi_KOLA   6
N 14 minutes ago by Filipjack
If $F$ is a continuous function on $[0,1]$ such that $F(0) = F(1)$, then there exists a $c \in (0,1)$ such that:

\[
F(c) = \frac{1}{c} \int_0^c F(x) \,dx
\]
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mqoi_KOLA
Today at 11:37 AM
Filipjack
14 minutes ago
nice integral
Martin.s   1
N an hour ago by Entrepreneur
$$\int_0^\infty \frac{\tanh x}{4x (1+\cosh(2x))} dx$$
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Martin.s
Yesterday at 8:09 PM
Entrepreneur
an hour ago
2025 Caucasus MO Seniors P2
BR1F1SZ   3
N an hour ago by X.Luser
Source: Caucasus MO
Let $ABC$ be a triangle, and let $B_1$ and $B_2$ be points on segment $AC$ symmetric with respect to the midpoint of $AC$. Let $\gamma_A$ denote the circle passing through $B_1$ and tangent to line $AB$ at $A$. Similarly, let $\gamma_C$ denote the circle passing through $B_1$ and tangent to line $BC$ at $C$. Let the circles $\gamma_A$ and $\gamma_C$ intersect again at point $B'$ ($B' \neq B_1$). Prove that $\angle ABB' = \angle CBB_2$.
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BR1F1SZ
Mar 26, 2025
X.Luser
an hour ago
IMO Shortlist 2010 - Problem G1
Amir Hossein   130
N an hour ago by LeYohan
Let $ABC$ be an acute triangle with $D, E, F$ the feet of the altitudes lying on $BC, CA, AB$ respectively. One of the intersection points of the line $EF$ and the circumcircle is $P.$ The lines $BP$ and $DF$ meet at point $Q.$ Prove that $AP = AQ.$

Proposed by Christopher Bradley, United Kingdom
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Amir Hossein
Jul 17, 2011
LeYohan
an hour ago
Nordic 2025 P3
anirbanbz   7
N an hour ago by anirbanbz
Source: Nordic 2025
Let $ABC$ be an acute triangle with orthocenter $H$ and circumcenter $O$. Let $E$ and $F$ be points on the line segments $AC$ and $AB$ respectively such that $AEHF$ is a parallelogram. Prove that $\vert OE \vert = \vert OF \vert$.
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anirbanbz
Mar 25, 2025
anirbanbz
an hour ago
Find the real part and imaginary parts
Entrepreneur   0
an hour ago
Source: Own
Evaluate $$\Re\left(\frac{\Gamma(ix)}{\Gamma(ix+\frac 12)}\right)\;\&\;\Im\left(\frac{\Gamma(ix)}{\Gamma(ix+\frac 12)}\right).$$
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Entrepreneur
an hour ago
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CGMO6: Airline companies and cities
v_Enhance   13
N an hour ago by Marcus_Zhang
Source: 2012 China Girl's Mathematical Olympiad
There are $n$ cities, $2$ airline companies in a country. Between any two cities, there is exactly one $2$-way flight connecting them which is operated by one of the two companies. A female mathematician plans a travel route, so that it starts and ends at the same city, passes through at least two other cities, and each city in the route is visited once. She finds out that wherever she starts and whatever route she chooses, she must take flights of both companies. Find the maximum value of $n$.
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v_Enhance
Aug 13, 2012
Marcus_Zhang
an hour ago
nice problem
hanzo.ei   0
2 hours ago
Source: I forgot
Let triangle $ABC$ be inscribed in the circumcircle $(O)$ and circumscribed about the incircle $(I)$, with $AB < AC$. The incircle $(I)$ touches the sides $BC$, $CA$, and $AB$ at $D$, $E$, and $F$, respectively. A line through $I$, perpendicular to $AI$, intersects $BC$, $CA$, and $AB$ at $X$, $Y$, and $Z$, respectively. The line $AI$ meets $(O)$ at $M$ (distinct from $A$). The circumcircle of triangle $AYZ$ intersects $(O)$ at $N$ (distinct from $A$). Let $P$ be the midpoint of the arc $BAC$ of $(O)$. The line $AI$ cuts segments $DF$ and $DE$ at $K$ and $L$, respectively, and the tangents to the circle $(DKL)$ at $K$ and $L$ intersect at $T$. Prove that $AT \perp BC$.
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hanzo.ei
2 hours ago
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Find a given number of divisors of ab
proglote   9
N 2 hours ago by zuat.e
Source: Brazil MO 2013, problem #2
Arnaldo and Bernaldo play the following game: given a fixed finite set of positive integers $A$ known by both players, Arnaldo picks a number $a \in A$ but doesn't tell it to anyone. Bernaldo thens pick an arbitrary positive integer $b$ (not necessarily in $A$). Then Arnaldo tells the number of divisors of $ab$. Show that Bernaldo can choose $b$ in a way that he can find out the number $a$ chosen by Arnaldo.
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proglote
Oct 24, 2013
zuat.e
2 hours ago
2025 TST 22
EthanWYX2009   1
N 2 hours ago by hukilau17
Source: 2025 TST 22
Let \( A \) be a set of 2025 positive real numbers. For a subset \( T \subseteq A \), define \( M_T \) as the median of \( T \) when all elements of \( T \) are arranged in increasing order, with the convention that \( M_\emptyset = 0 \). Define
\[
P(A) = \sum_{\substack{T \subseteq A \\ |T| \text{ odd}}} M_T, \quad Q(A) = \sum_{\substack{T \subseteq A \\ |T| \text{ even}}} M_T.
\]Find the smallest real number \( C \) such that for any set \( A \) of 2025 positive real numbers, the following inequality holds:
\[
P(A) - Q(A) \leq C \cdot \max(A),
\]where \(\max(A)\) denotes the largest element in \( A \).
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EthanWYX2009
5 hours ago
hukilau17
2 hours ago
Deriving Van der Waerden Theorem
Didier2   0
2 hours ago
Source: Khamovniki 2023-2024 (group 10-1)
Suppose we have already proved that for any coloring of $\Large \mathbb{N}$ in $r$ colors, there exists an arithmetic progression of size $k$. How can we derive Van der Waerden's theorem for $W(r, k)$ from this?
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Didier2
2 hours ago
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Not so classic orthocenter problem
m4thbl3nd3r   6
N 2 hours ago by maths_enthusiast_0001
Source: own?
Let $O$ be circumcenter of a non-isosceles triangle $ABC$ and $H$ be a point in the interior of $\triangle ABC$. Let $E,F$ be foots of perpendicular lines from $H$ to $AC,AB$. Suppose that $BCEF$ is cyclic and $M$ is the circumcenter of $BCEF$, $HM\cap AB=K,AO\cap BE=T$. Prove that $KT$ bisects $EF$
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m4thbl3nd3r
Yesterday at 4:59 PM
maths_enthusiast_0001
2 hours ago
Functional equations
hanzo.ei   1
N 2 hours ago by GreekIdiot
Source: Greekldiot
Find all $f: \mathbb R_+ \rightarrow \mathbb R_+$ such that $f(xf(y)+f(x))=yf(x+yf(x)) \: \forall \: x,y \in \mathbb R_+$
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hanzo.ei
3 hours ago
GreekIdiot
2 hours ago
An exercise applying the Cayley-Hamilton theorem
Mathloops   0
3 hours ago

Let \( A = (a_{ij}) \) be a nonzero square matrix of order \( n \) satisfying
\[
a_{ik} a_{jk} = a_{kk} a_{ij}, \quad \text{for all } i, j, k.
\]Denote by \( \operatorname{tr}(A) \) the trace of \( A \), which is the sum of the diagonal elements of \( A \).

a) Prove that \( \operatorname{tr}(A) \neq 0 \).

b) Compute the characteristic polynomial of \( A \) in terms of \( \operatorname{tr}(A) \).
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Mathloops
3 hours ago
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Putnam 2012 B4
Kent Merryfield   30
N Mar 24, 2025 by anudeep
Suppose that $a_0=1$ and that $a_{n+1}=a_n+e^{-a_n}$ for $n=0,1,2,\dots.$ Does $a_n-\log n$ have a finite limit as $n\to\infty?$ (Here $\log n=\log_en=\ln n.$)
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Kent Merryfield
Dec 3, 2012
anudeep
Mar 24, 2025
Putnam 2012 B4
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Suppose that $a_0=1$ and that $a_{n+1}=a_n+e^{-a_n}$ for $n=0,1,2,\dots.$ Does $a_n-\log n$ have a finite limit as $n\to\infty?$ (Here $\log n=\log_en=\ln n.$)
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We will show that in fact, $\lim_{n\to\infty}(a_n-\log n)=0.$

A lemma we will use (from Taylor's theorem): there is a positive constant $C$ such that if $0\le x\le 1,$ then $1+x\le e^x\le 1+x+Cx^2.$

Let $b_n=e^{a_n}$ so that $a_n = \log(b_n).$ The recursion becomes $\log(b_{n+1})=\log(b_n)+\frac1{b_n}.$ Exponentiate that to get
\[b_{n+1}=b_n\cdot e^{1/b_n}.\]
Note that $b_n$ is increasing and clearly $b_n\ge 1$ so that $\frac1{b_n}\le 1.$

By the estimate we gave above:
\begin{align*}b_n\left(1+\frac1{b_n}\right)&\le b_{n+1}\le b_n\left(1+\frac1{b_n}+\frac{C}{b_n^2}\right)\\
b_n+1&\le b_{n+1}\le b_n+1+\frac{C}{b_n}\\
1&\le b_{n+1}-b_n\le 1+\frac{C}{b_n}\end{align*}
The left hand inequality, plus an induction, assures us that $b_n\ge n.$ Then we can write the right hand inequality as $b_{n+1}-b_n\le 1+\frac{C}n.$ Sum this and we get a partial sum of the harmonic series. The known growth rate of the harmonic series tells us that $n\le b_n\le n+\alpha+C\log n$ for some constant $\alpha.$ Take the logarithm of this to get
\[\log n\le \log(b_n)\le \log(n+\alpha+ C\log n)=\log n+\log\left(1+\frac{\alpha}n+\frac{C\log n}n\right)\]
\[0\le a_n-\log n\le \log\left(1+\frac{\alpha}n+\frac{C\log n}n\right)\]
Since the right hand side of this tends to zero as $n\to\infty,$ we get that the quantity $(a_n-\log n)$ is squeezed to zero.
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You have a slight typo. In the first line of the three inequalities, the left most hand side should be $ b_n\left(1 + \frac{1}{b_n}\right) $.
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I'm not sure how rigorous this is, but I'll post it anyway.

From $a_{n+1} = a_{n} + e^{-a_n}$, we get that $a_n$ is strictly increasing, and that $e^{a_n}(a_{n+1}-a_n) = 1$.

Since $e^x$ is strictly increasing, a left endpoint Riemann sum will underestimate the value of an integral, i.e.:
$e^{a_n}-e $ $= \int_{1}^{a_n}e^x\,dx $ $> \sum_{k = 0}^{n-1}e^{a_k}(a_{k+1}-a_k) $ $= \sum_{k = 0}^{n-1} 1 = n$

Thus, $a_n > \log(n+e)$, and $a_n - \log n > \log(1+\tfrac{e}{n}) \to 0$ as $n \to \infty$.

Since $e^x$ is strictly increasing, a right endpoint Riemann sum will overestimate the value of an integral, i.e.:
$e^{a_n}-e $ $= \int_{1}^{a_n}e^x\,dx $ $< \sum_{k = 0}^{n-1}e^{a_{k+1}}(a_{k+1}-a_k) $ $= \sum_{k = 0}^{n-1} e^{e^{-a_k}}\cdot e^{a_k}(a_{k+1}-a_k) $ $< \sum_{k = 0}^{n-1} e^{\tfrac{1}{k+e}} = : S_n$

Thus, $a_n < \log(S_n+e)$, and $a_n - \log n < \log(\tfrac{1}{n}S_n+\tfrac{e}{n})$.

Since $\lim_{k \to \infty}e^{\tfrac{1}{k+e}} = 1$, we have $\lim_{n \to \infty}\dfrac{1}{n}S_n = 1$. Thus, $\log(\tfrac{1}{n}S_n+\tfrac{e}{n}) \to \log(1+0) = 0$ as $n \to \infty$.

From this, we can conclude that $\lim_{n \to \infty}(a_n - \log n) = 0$.

EDIT: Dumb question: If the limit was $0$, as opposed to something that didn't have a closed form, then why did they not bother asking us to find the limit?
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We claim the answer is yes. For $n \geq 1$, let $b_n = a_n - \ln n$. We wish to show that $\{b_n\}$ converges. Note that we have $b_1 = a_1 > 0$. Substituting $a_n = b_n + \ln n$ into our recurrence $a_{n+1} = a_n + e^{-a_n}$ gives $b_{n+1} = b_n + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n}$.

We claim that $b_n \geq 0$ for all $n$. Note that since $e^x \geq x+1$ for all real $x$, we have $e^{-b_n} \geq 1 - b_n$. Additionally, for $x = \frac{1}{n}$ we have $e^{\frac{1}{n}} \geq 1 + \frac{1}{n}$, which rearranges to $\frac{1}{n} + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) \geq 0$. Thus, \[ b_{n+1} = b_n + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n} \geq b_n + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) + \frac{1-b_n}{n} \geq \frac{1}{n} + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1})+ b_n (1 - \frac{1}{n}) \geq b_n (1 - \frac{1}{n}). \]
Since $b_1, b_2 > 0$, it follows by induction that $b_n > 0$ for all $n$.

It follows that
\[ b_{n+1} = b_n + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n} \leq b_n + \frac{1}{n} - \ln(1 + \frac{1}{n+1}) = b_n + \frac{1}{2n^2} - O(\frac{1}{n^3}), \]
so there is some positive constant $c$ for which $b_{n+1} \leq b_n + \frac{c}{n^2}$ for all $n$. It follows that for all $n>1$ and $k>0$ that
\[ b_{n+k} - b_n = \sum_{i=n}^{n+c-1} (b_{i+1} - b_i) \leq \sum_{i=n}^{n+c-1} \frac{c}{i^2} < \sum_{i=n}^{\infty} \frac{c}{i^2} < c \int_{i=n-1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{i^2} = \frac{c}{n-1}. \]

Since $\{b_n\}$ is bounded from below, it has a limit inferior $L$. Let $\epsilon$ be any positive real number. Then there is some $N$ such that for all $n>N$, it holds that $b_n > L - \epsilon$. There also exist arbitrarily large $M$ with $b_M < L + \frac{\epsilon}{2}$. Take any such $M$ for which $\frac{c}{M-1} < \frac{\epsilon}{2}$. Then for all $n > \max(M,N)$, we have $b_n > L - \epsilon$ and $b_n < b_M + (b_n - b_M) < (L + \frac{\epsilon}{2}) + \frac{\epsilon}{2} = L + \epsilon$, i.e., $|b_n - L| < \epsilon$. Thus, $\{b_i\}$ converges to $L$, as desired.

Note: It's not too hard to show from here that we must have $L=0$. Since $b_i \geq 0$, $L \geq 0$, so we suppose for the sake of contradiction that $L>0$. If we take $\epsilon = \frac{L}{2}$, then there is some $N$ such that whenever $n>N$ it holds that $b_n > \epsilon$. Now,
\begin{align*}
b_{n+1} 
&= b_n + \ln(\frac{n}{n+1}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n} = b_n - \ln(1 + \frac{1}{n}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n} \\
&= b_n - \frac{1}{n} + O(\frac{1}{n^2}) + \frac{e^{-b_n}}{n} = b_n + \frac{e^{-b_n} - 1}{n} + O(\frac{1}{n^2}) \\
&\leq b_n + O(\frac{1}{n^2}) + \frac{e^{-\epsilon} - 1}{n}
\end{align*}
Summing these from $N$ to $N+m$ for some $m$, we have
\[b_{N+m} \leq b_N + O(\frac{1}{N+m}) + (e^{-\epsilon} - 1) \sum_{i=N}^{N+m} \frac{1}{i}, \]
which is impossible since $e^{-\epsilon} - 1 < 0$ and $\sum_{i=N}^{N+m} \frac{1}{i}$ diverges as $m$ goes to infinity.
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If $a_n$ was convergent, it would be null, which is absurd. Therefore, $a_n$ is divergent.

Now, notice that ${\displaystyle \lim_{n\to\infty}(e^{a_{n+1}}-e^{a_n}) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{e^{e^{-a_n}}-1}{e^{-a_n}}}$.

Using the Heine definition of the limit, it's easy to see that the latter limit is equal to $1$; indeed, the sequence $e^{-a_n}$ converges to $0$ and $\lim_{x\to 0}{\frac{e^x-1}{x}} = 1$.

Now, according to the Stolz–Cesàro theorem, we get that $\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{e^{a_n}}{n} = 1$. Thus, $a_n-\log n$ $\to 0$.
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Anyway, it looks like including at least one old problem discussed on AoPS to the Putnam test has become a tradition :roll:.
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To be technical, asking that $\lim a_n-\log n$ exist is a little more stringent than asking that $\lim\frac{a_n}{\log n}=1.$ But it is the same sequence.
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And, moreover, most solutions in that thread actually give you the limit of the difference...
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A bit of motivation right from the start: the analogous differential equation is $y'=e^{-y}.$ You can solve that by separation of variables to get $y=\ln(x+C),$ and it's clear that $\lim_{x\to\infty}y-\ln x=0.$ That's not in itself a proof, but it does suggest we're in the right place. The substitution $a_n=\ln(b_n)$ was then partly motivated by that separation of variables.
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I think I'm missing something but you said to consider the
euler's approximation $ y' = e^{-y} $, but you have to introduce
an $1/n$, or a step size of sort which $ a_{n+1} = a_{n} + e^{-a_{n}} $
doesn't seem to have? Does that come form the $ ln(\frac{e^{a_{n}}}{n}) $
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I tried to show this was a Cauchy sequence: |(a_(n+1) - log(n+1)) - (a_n - log n) |----> 0 as n goes to infinity. (Sorry for no LaTeX, haven't learned how to use it yet, but kind of interested in an answer to my question so I didn't want to go through the FAQ for an hour...).

So with the triangle inequality I got that the expression above is less than or equal to |e^(-a_n)| + |log(n+1) - logn|. I was able to show that the second absolute value went to 0 as n went to infinity (derivative 1/n ----> 0, so it becomes flatter and flatter, right?), but I couldn't show that the first absolute value went to 0 because I couldn't show that a_n diverges! (I wrote on my exam that I was pretty sure a_n went to infinity so the first absolute value would go to zero. Any idea how much partial credit they would give me on this?)

More importantly, though, how do you show a_n goes to infinity?

Thanks.
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ferranti wrote:
I tried to show this was a Cauchy sequence: |(a_(n+1) - log(n+1)) - (a_n - log n) |----> 0
The Cauchy criterion for $(x_n)_{n=1}^\infty$ converging is that $\lim_{N\to\infty}\sup_{m,n\geq N}|x_m-x_n|=0$, not that $\lim_{n\to\infty}|x_{n+1}-x_n|=0$. That the second condition is not sufficient can be seen easily with a simple counterexample (namely, $x_n=\sum_{j=1}^n\frac 1j$).
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Well, that's too bad. But thanks for letting me know!
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ferranti wrote:
More importantly, though, how do you show a_n goes to infinity?
As Yongyi781 pointed out, your approach would not work. However, you can show that $a_n \to \infty$ as follows:
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Here's what I tried, first I noted that since $a_{n+1} = a_n + e^{-a_n}$, then you could instead write $a_n$ as a series ${\sum^{n}}_{i=0} b_i$ of the sequence $b_{n+1} = e^{-b_n}$, with $b_0 = 1$.

So we then have

$a_n - log(n) = 1 + e^{-1} + {\sum^{n}}_{i=2} b_i - (log(n) - log(n-1))$.

Then I just used that the sequence $log(n/n-1)$ converges to 0, as $n/(n-1)$ converges to 1. $b_i$ cannot converge to 0 as if it $b_i$ was arbitrarily close to 0 then $b_{i+1}$ would be arbitrarily close to 1, so by the divergence test

$1 + e^{-1} + {\sum^{n}}_{i=2} b_i - (log(n) - log(n-1))$

diverges, so $a_n - log(n)$ is a divergent sequence.

Mind you I got a bit messy while writing this out, so even if this reasoning were correct, I doubt I got the marks. It would also be great if someone told me where I went wrong, as I likely did.
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soshi wrote:
I think I'm missing something but you said to consider the
euler's approximation $ y' = e^{-y} $, but you have to introduce
... a step size ...
The step size is $1.$

DizzyCow: In your notation, $b_{n+1}=e^{-a_n},$ not $e^{-b_n}.$

One additional comment: you might ask how fast $a_n-\log n$ tends to zero. That should be apparent from my solution above: it's $O\left(\frac{\log n}n\right),$ which isn't all that fast.
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Xantos C. Guin wrote:
EDIT: Dumb question: If the limit was $0$, as opposed to something that didn't have a closed form, then why did they not bother asking us to find the limit?
There's a fairly well-established tradition of misdirection in what Putnam questions claim to be asking for. One classic example from a couple of years back: an $n\times n$ determinant with entries given trigonometrically, and the question was about the limit of the determinant as $n\to\infty.$ So that makes it a calculus/analysis question, and there will be estimates and inequalities and growth rates and epsilons? Well, no - that was misdirection. It was purely a linear algebra (and trig identity) question, and the determinant was exactly zero for all $n\ge 3.$

You do have to take what they tell you with a certain level of skepticism.
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Also, one solution to the problem is to show that $a_n -\log n$ is a decreasing sequence of positive numbers, which is enough to deduce a limit, without knowing what the limit is. You can find such a solution in the writeup by Kiran Kedlaya and Lenny Ng, currently posted at http://math.ucsd.edu/~kedlaya/2012s.pdf.
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I agree with everyone that the limit is zero, but I'm afraid that the solution I wrote down is probably not rigorous enough. Basically what I wrote down is the following:

consider that lim $ a_{n+1} $ = lim $ a_n $ + lim $ e^{-a_n} $ = lim $ a_n $ + 0 as $ n\to\infty $ since we can make $ a_n $ arbitarily large since it is a sum of its previous terms; this means that lim $ a_{n+1} $ = lim $ a_n $ = $ \infty $ as $ n\to\infty $ . Now consider that lim $ log n $ = $ \infty $ as $ n\to\infty $ . It follows that lim $ a_n-\log n $ = $ \infty $ - $ \infty $ = 0 .
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ericksosam wrote:
Basically what I wrote down is the following:

consider that $\lim a_{n+1} = \lim a_n + \lim e^{-a_n} = \lim a_n + 0$ as $n\to\infty$ since we can make $a_n$ arbitrarily large since it is a sum of its previous terms; this means that $\lim a_{n+1} = \lim a_n = \infty$ as $n\to\infty$ . Now consider that $\lim log n = \infty as n\to\infty$ . It follows that $\lim a_n-\log n = \infty - \infty = 0 $.
[Quote inserted due to new page in the thread. Edited for formatting and a typo. By the way, $\LaTeX$ recognizes \lim.]

That is most certainly not a proof, ericksosam. $\infty-\infty$ is what is known as an indeterminate form, in that if $\lim f=\infty$ and $\lim g=\infty$, $\lim f-g$ can be anything. After all, $\lim_{x\to\infty} 2x-x$ isn't zero.
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Moreover, even if your knowledge of how to operate infinities was somewhat shaky, you still should be able to recognize that something is fishy by noticing that you have never used that it is $\log n$ and not, say, $e^n$: your argument remains equally (un)convincing if you use $e^n$ instead of $\log n$ everywhere, and the statement cannot be true for both.
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I see both of your points. Somewhere in my mind I feel that I have seen a problem involving the indeterminate form in calc II when we learned about l'hopitals rule, I just can't remember exactly how the two relate right now.
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This problem was discussed in my paper "The second term in asymptotic expansion"

I posted here ( in Mar 24, 2011, 12:34 pm)

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=722&t=398470

it is Application3 or see the file.
Attachments:
Asymptotic expansion Article Mathlinks.pdf (35kb)
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I would like everone to dismiss what I said in my previous post on this topic as they were foolish mistakes on my part.
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$\{a_n\}$ is strictly increasing and $wlog$ we can take $a_n>0$ for all $n>m$ for some $m$. Now if we would have $a_n\leq log n$ for all $n$ then increasing of $a_n-log n$ gives us result, now it can't be that $a_n>log n \implies a_{n+1}<log (n+1)$ else we would have $(1+\frac{1}{n})^n>e$ , so we can take $a_n\geq log n$ for all $n>n_0$ for some $n_0$. Now note, taking $\epsilon_0=[e-e^{\frac{1}{\epsilon}}]$ we've if $a_n=log n +\epsilon$ then $a_{n+1}<log (n+1)+\epsilon$ where $\epsilon_0=(1+\frac{1}{n})^n$. So we get $\{a_n-log n\}$ is decreasing for all $n>N$ for some $N>n_0$ and it's will never be negative again,so it converges to some $L$ and hence limit is finite.
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Let $c_n=a_n-\log n$. Then, by substituting $a_n$ in the original relationship between $a_n$ and $a_{n+1}$ by $c_n$, we obtain
\[
c_{n+1}=c_n + \frac{1}{n} e^{-c_n} -\log \frac{n+1}{n}.  \ \cdots (1)
\]
Step 1. If $c_n > -\log \log 2$, then $c_{n+1} \le c_n$.
proof. To satisfy $\frac{1}{n} e^{-c_n} -\log \frac{n+1}{n}\le 0$, one should have $e^{-c_n}\le \log \left ( 1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n$, which is equal to $c_n \ge -\log \log \left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n$. But by $\left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n >2 $, we obtain
\[
c_n>-\log \log 2> -\log \log \left ( 1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n.
\]
Hence $c_n \le c_{n+1}$.
Step 2. If $c_n<0$, then $c_n \le c_{n+1}$.
proof. To satisfy $\frac{1}{n} e^{-c_n} -\log \frac{n+1}{n} \ge 0$, one should have $e^{-c_n}\ge \log \left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right )^n$, which is equal to $c_n \le -\log \log \left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right )^n$. But by $\left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n < e$, we obtain
\[
c_n <0 < -\log \log \left (1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) ^n.
\]
Hence $c_n \le c_{n+1}$.
Step 3. $| c_n | \le M, n=1,2,...$ for some $M>0$,. i.e. $c_n$ is a bounded sequence.
proof. At first, we claim that $|c_{n+1} -c_n| \le M'$ for some $M'>0$. From the original recursive definition of $a_n$, we have $a_n < a_{n+1}< a_n +1$ because $a_n>0$ for all $n=0,1,2,...$ and then $e^{-a_n}<e^{-a_0}=1$. Substituting $a_n = c_n +\log n$ to this, we obtain
\[
c_n +\log n < c_{n+1} +\log (n+1) < c_n + \log n +1,
\]
which leads
\[
-\log \left ( 1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) < c_{n+1} -c_n < -\log \left ( 1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) +1
\]
and then
\[ 
|c_{n+1} - c_n | \le \log \left ( 1+\frac{1}{n} \right ) +1 < M'
\]
for some $M'>0$ since $RHS$ is a bounded sequence. Combining step 1 and 2, we obtain
\[
-M' \le c_n \le -\log \log 2 +M',
\]
which means that $c_n$ is a bounded sequence.

Now, let's return to the recurrence relation $(1)$. Let $p>0$ be an integer. Then by $(1)$, telescoping sum of the form $c_{k+1} - c_k$ from $k=n$ to $k=n+p-1$ yields
\[
c_{n+p}-c_n=\frac{1}{n}e^{-c_n} +\frac{1}{n+1} e^{-c_{n+1}} +\cdots +\frac{1}{n+p-1}e^{-c_{n+p-1}}-\log \frac{n+p}{n}.
\]
I wanted to say that $c_n$ diverges by the boundedness of $c_n$, divergent of the series $\sum \frac{1}{n}$ and the Cauchy criterion, but I found an error while writing down this post...I don't have any idea with the last $\log$ term.
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sorry, i assumed that $a_1=1$ instead of $a_0=1$, but that won't change anything...
the sequence $y_n=e^{a_n}/n$ starts from $e$ and satisfies \[y_{n+1}=\frac{n}{n+1}y_ne^{\frac{1}{ny_n}}.\] by induction we show easily that \[y_n>\frac{1}{n\log(1+1/n)}\,,\] since the function $te^{1/(nt)}$ is increasing in $t$.
Then it follows immediately that the sequence is decreasing and bounded from below by 1. So it converges to a reasonable constant. Now $a_n-\log(n)$ converges to the log of that constant.
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Suppose it doesn't converge, and let $b_n:=a_n-\log n$. Then

\[b_{n+1}-b_n=\frac1n(e^{-b_n}-1)+\underbrace{\frac1n-\log(1+\frac1n)}_{this>0}\]

If $b_n>0$, then $b_{n+1}-b_n<0$; if $b_n<0$ then $b_{n+1}-b_n>0$. So $b_n$ is bounded, let $M=\max|b_n|$. Choose large enough $n$ such that

\[b_{n+1}-b_n=\underbrace{\frac1n(e^{-b_n}-1)}_{|this|\le\frac{M}n}+\underbrace{\frac1n-\log(1+\frac1n)}_{0<that<\epsilon}\]

for some $\epsilon>0$, so that $|b_{n+1}-b_n|<\frac{|M|}n+\epsilon<\epsilon'$.
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Reason: took the absolute value of a positive number, makes me look tarded
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Michael Penn solved this using Stolz-Cesaro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3LXFiXcmY
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Moreover we shall see that $\left(a_n-\log n \right)_{n\ge 1}\to 0$.
As $\Delta a_n=e^{-a_n}$, computing the limit of $\left(a_n-\log n\right)_{n\ge 1}$ is same as computing the limit of $\left(\log(\Delta a_n \times n)\right)_{n\ge 1}$. Our primary goal is to find an appropriate upper bound for $\Delta a_n$ and we shall see that this can be achieved by evaluating the Riemann lower sum of the function $e^x$ in the interval $[1, a_n]$ (idea borrowed from @Xanthos C. Guin). But you may ask what does finding an upper bound to $\Delta a_n$ have anything to do with finding some random Riemann lower sum? remember : $e^{a_n}\Delta a_n=1$. Consider the partition $P_n=\{a_0, a_1,\ldots, a_{n-1}\}$ and as $e^x$ is strictly increasing we know $\inf_{a_{i}\le x\le a_{i+1}}(e^x)=e^{a_i}$ for each $i=0,1,\ldots, n-1$ then,
$$e^{a_n}-e=\int_{1}^{a_n}e^x\ge \sum_{0\le i\le n-1}e^{a_i}\Delta a_{i}=n.$$It is not hard to see that $\Delta a_n=e^{-a_n}\le\frac{1}{n+e}$ and we then have,
$$\left\lvert\log(\Delta a_n\times n) \right\lvert\le \underbrace{\left\lvert\log\frac{n}{n+e}\right\lvert.}_{\text{can be made arbitrarily small}}$$Our claim then follows from the very definition of convergence and we are done. $\square$
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