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k a April Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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May 16, 2018
9 fun factory or boredom buster!
jkim0656   0
23 minutes ago
dunno which forum to put this in but...
fun factory or boredom buster!
I've seen both and dunno which one to be active on
the two forum giants tbh
sooo which one's better?
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mathcounts state score thread
Soupboy0   56
N 32 minutes ago by aoh11
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Username & Score & Sprint & Target & Nats? & Sillies \\
     Soupboy0    &     40  &     24   &   16     &    yes  &    6     \\
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real math problems
Soupboy0   39
N 37 minutes ago by aoh11
Ill be posting questions once in a while. Here's the first question:

What fraction of numbers from $1$ to $1000$ have the digit $7$ and are divisible by $3$?
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The daily problem!
Leeoz   59
N an hour ago by HacheB2031
Every day, I will try to post a new problem for you all to solve! If you want to post a daily problem, you can! :)

Please hide solutions and answers, hints are fine though! :)

The first problem is:
[quote=March 21st Problem]Alice flips a fair coin until she gets 2 heads in a row, or a tail and then a head. What is the probability that she stopped after 2 heads in a row? Express your answer as a common fraction.[/quote]

Past Problems!
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2025 MATHCOUNTS State Hub
SirAppel   241
N an hour ago by minigrape1985
Previous Years' "Hubs": (2022) (2023) (2024)Please Read

Now that it's April and we're allowed to discuss, and no one else has made this yet ...
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[*] CA: 43 (45 44 43 43 43 42 42 41 41 41)
[*] NJ: 43 (45 44 44 43 39 42 40 40 39 38) *
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learn from my mistakes
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Apr 1, 2025
minigrape1985
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Equivalent definition for C^1 functions
Ciobi_   2
N 2 hours ago by Alphaamss
Source: Romania NMO 2025 11.3
Prove that, for a function $f \colon \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$, the following $2$ statements are equivalent:
a) $f$ is differentiable, with continuous first derivative.
b) For any $a\in\mathbb{R}$ and for any two sequences $(x_n)_{n\geq 1},(y_n)_{n\geq 1}$, convergent to $a$, such that $x_n \neq y_n$ for any positive integer $n$, the sequence $\left(\frac{f(x_n)-f(y_n)}{x_n-y_n}\right)_{n\geq 1}$ is convergent.
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Strange limit
Snoop76   7
N 2 hours ago by Alphaamss
Find: $\lim_{n \to \infty} n\cdot\sum_{k=1}^n \frac 1 {k(n-k)!}$
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Mathcounts state iowa
iwillregretthisnamelater   15
N 3 hours ago by PuppyPenguinDolphin
Ok I’m a 6th grader in Iowa who got 38 in chapter which was first, so what are the chances of me getting in nats? I should feel confident but I don’t. I have a week until states and I’m getting really anxious. What should I do? And also does the cdr count in Iowa? Because I heard that some states do cdr for fun or something and that it doesn’t count to final standings.
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Probability problem
huajun78   0
3 hours ago
A spinner is colored with 5 red sectors and 5 black sectors, with each sector of equal area. Two sectors
are then randomly labeled W. I then spin the spinner twice. What is the probability that in both
spins, I land on a sector labeled W that is red?
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Soupboy0   59
N 4 hours ago by Pi_isCool31415
les goo its finally april
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N 4 hours ago by avyaank
Fanum and Kai Cenat are getting taxed. If Fanum's tax increases by 60%, then Fanum will be taxed 24 dollars. If Kai Cenat's tax increases by 20%, then he would also be taxed 24 dollars.

How much more is Kai Cenat taxed than Fanum?
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(n^3+3n)^2/(n^6-64)
ThE-dArK-lOrD   11
N 4 hours ago by jolynefag
Source: IMC 2019 Day 1 P1
Evaluate the product
$$\prod_{n=3}^{\infty} \frac{(n^3+3n)^2}{n^6-64}.$$
Proposed by Orif Ibrogimov, ETH Zurich and National University of Uzbekistan and Karen Keryan, Yerevan State University and American University of Armenia, Yerevan
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ThE-dArK-lOrD
Jul 31, 2019
jolynefag
4 hours ago
determine F'(0)
EthanWYX2009   3
N 5 hours ago by Alphaamss
Source: 2024 Aug taca-13
Let
\[F(x)=\int\limits_0^{x}\left(\sin\frac 1t\right)^4\mathrm dt.\]Determine the value of $F'(0).$
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EthanWYX2009
Yesterday at 12:40 PM
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Problem of the week
evt917   54
N Yesterday at 9:12 PM by evt917
Whenever possible, I will be posting problems twice a week! They will be roughly of AMC 8 difficulty. Have fun solving! Also, these problems are all written by myself!

First problem:

$20^{16}$ has how many digits?
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evt917
Mar 5, 2025
evt917
Yesterday at 9:12 PM
f"(x)>0, show that int(f(x)cosx dx) >0
Sayan   11
N Mar 28, 2025 by Mathzeus1024
Source: ISI(BS) 2009 #2
Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
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f"(x)>0, show that int(f(x)cosx dx) >0
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Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
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Sayan wrote:
Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
$\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} \left ( \frac{d}{dx}(f(x)\sin x)-f'(x)\sin x \right ) dx \\ =f(2\pi)\sin 2\pi - f(0)\sin 0 \ +\int_{0}^{2\pi} -f'(x)\sin x dx \\ =0+\int_{0}^{2\pi} \left ( \frac{d}{dx}(f'(x)\cos x)-f''(x)\cos x \right ) dx \\ =f'(2\pi)\cos 2\pi-f'(0)\cos 0 \ -\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =f'(2\pi)-f'(0)-\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x) dx -\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)(1-\cos x) dx \geq0 $
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Let $f(x)$ be a continuous and convex function on $[0,2\pi]$ Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
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Isn't this equivalent to the original problem?
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No, certainly not; check the definition of convexity. (For example $|x|$ is convex on $\mathbb {R}$ but is not differentiable at $0.$)
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With $f$ only continuous and convex:

Lemma 1. $f$ convex on $[0,2\pi] \implies f(x+\pi)-f(x)$ is an increasing function on $[0,\pi].$

Proof: If $x<y,$ we want to show $ f(y+\pi)-f(x+\pi)-(f(y)-f(x)) \ge 0.$ If we divide by $y-x,$ we are comparing slopes of secant lines on the graph of $f$. Because $f$ is convex, these slopes increase as we move to the right. This gives the result.

Lemma 2. If $g$ decreases on $[0,\pi],$ then $\int_0^{\pi} g(x)\cos x\,dx \ge 0.$

Proof: The integral equals $\int_0^{\pi /2}[g(\pi /2 -x)\cos (\pi /2 -x) +  g(\pi /2 +x)\cos (\pi /2 +x)]\,dx.$ Now $\cos (\pi /2 +x) = -\cos (\pi /2 -x)$, so the last integral equals $\int_0^{\pi /2}[g(\pi /2 -x)-g(\pi /2 +x)]\cos (\pi /2 -x)\,dx.$ Because $g$ is decreasing, the last integrand is $\ge 0$, giving the lemma.

So now assume we have $f$ continuous and convex on $[0,2\pi ].$ Then $\int_0^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x \, dx = \int_0^{\pi} [f(x)-f(x+\pi )]\cos x \, dx.$ Lemma 1 implies $f(x)-f(x+\pi )$ is decreasing. Lemma 2 then finishes the proof.
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Sayan wrote:
Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
For the nongeneral problem:
Since $\cos x=-\cos(\pi-x)=-cos(\pi+x)=\cos(2\pi-x),$ therefore note that
\[\int_0^{2\pi}f(x)\cos x \ d\, x=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}(f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi -x))\cos x \ d\, x .\]
Now, since $\cos$ is positive in our new interval, it is enough to check that $f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi -x)\geq 0$ in the required interval. Now, note that from Lagrange's Mean Value Theorem, we can find an $\epsilon_1\in [x, \pi -x ]$ and $\epsilon_2\in[\pi+x, 2\pi-x]$ such that
$\left\{\begin{aligned}&f(x)-f(\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_1)\\& f(pi+x)-f(2\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_2).\end{aligned}\right.$
Therefore, we get
$f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi-x)=(\pi-2x)(f'(\epsilon_2)-f'(\epsilon_1))\geq 0;$
Where the last step follows from $f''(x)\geq 0\implies f'(x)$ is increasing, and $\epsilon_2 \geq \pi+x\geq \pi -x \geq \epsilon_1.\Box$
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it will be
$ \left\{\begin{aligned}&f(x)-f(\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_1)\\& f(\pi+x)-f(2\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_2).\end{aligned}\right. $
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Potla wrote:
Sayan wrote:
Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
For the nongeneral problem:
Since $\cos x=-\cos(\pi-x)=-cos(\pi+x)=\cos(2\pi-x),$ therefore note that
\[\int_0^{2\pi}f(x)\cos x \ d\, x=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}(f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi -x))\cos x \ d\, x .\]Now, since $\cos$ is positive in our new interval, it is enough to check that $f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi -x)\geq 0$ in the required interval. Now, note that from Lagrange's Mean Value Theorem, we can find an $\epsilon_1\in [x, \pi -x ]$ and $\epsilon_2\in[\pi+x, 2\pi-x]$ such that
$$f(x)-f(\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_1)\text{  }\&\text{  } f(\pi+x)-f(2\pi-x)=(2x-\pi)f'(\epsilon_2).$$Therefore, we get
$f(x)-f(\pi-x)-f(\pi+x)+f(2\pi-x)=(\pi-2x)(f'(\epsilon_2)-f'(\epsilon_1))\geq 0;$
Where the last step follows from $f''(x)\geq 0\implies f'(x)$ is increasing, and $\epsilon_2 \geq \pi+x\geq \pi -x \geq \epsilon_1.\Box$
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hadikh wrote:
Sayan wrote:
Let $f(x)$ be a continuous function, whose first and second derivatives are continuous on $[0,2\pi]$ and $f''(x) \geq 0$ for all $x$ in $[0,2\pi]$. Show that
\[\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \geq 0\]
$\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} \left ( \frac{d}{dx}(f(x)\sin x)-f'(x)\sin x \right ) dx \\ =f(2\pi)\sin 2\pi - f(0)\sin 0 \ +\int_{0}^{2\pi} -f'(x)\sin x dx \\ =0+\int_{0}^{2\pi} \left ( \frac{d}{dx}(f'(x)\cos x)-f''(x)\cos x \right ) dx \\ =f'(2\pi)\cos 2\pi-f'(0)\cos 0 \ -\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =f'(2\pi)-f'(0)-\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x) dx -\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)\cos x dx \\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi} f''(x)(1-\cos x) dx \geq0 $

wow i was stuck at the second last line for days...
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Sh!t i was so dumb thinking the derivative of $cosx$ is $sinx$ all the time while trying this problem :wallbash_red: :wallbash_red:
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Let's take a Laplace Transform approach. Let $f(0)=A, f'(0)=B$ (for $A,B \in \mathbb{R}$) and let $f''(x)=g(x)$ (i) where $g:[0,2\pi] \rightarrow [0,\infty)$ is a differentiable function whose Laplace Transform $G(s)$ exists. Taking the Laplace Transform of (i) yields:

$s^2F(s) - sf(0)-f'(0) = G(s) \Rightarrow F(s) = \frac{G(s)+As+B}{s^2} = G(s) \cdot \frac{1}{s^2} + \frac{A}{s} +\frac{B}{s^2}$ (ii);

of which the inverse Laplace Transform of (ii) produces:

$f(x) = L^{-1}[F(s)] = \int_{0}^{x}\tau \cdot g(x-\tau) d\tau + (A+Bx)$ (iii).

If $\int_{0}^{2\pi} f(x)\cos(x) dx \ge 0$, then:

$f(x)\sin(x)|_{0}^{2\pi} - \int_{0}^{2\pi} f'(x)\sin(x) dx = -\int_{0}^{2\pi} [g(0)x+B]\sin(x) dx$;

or $[g(0)x+B]\cos(x)|_{0}^{2\pi} - \int_{0}^{2\pi} g(0)\cos(x)dx$;

or $2\pi g(0)-g(0)\sin(x)|_{0}^{2\pi} = \textcolor{red}{2\pi g(0) \ge 0}$.

QED
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