Effect of School on Math

by shiningsunnyday, Apr 11, 2016, 1:23 PM

So recently (actually ever since winter break), I've been, to some extent, mad about school. The amount of busy work, the constant pressure of not turning in a late assignment, nonstop quizzes/tests, teachers chasing after you for late assignments, are just neck-breaking. Only recently have I been realizing that not only does school take away time for math, it makes my mind and problem solving skills deteriorate.

This shouldn't be that big of a surprise since in school, you're told to do all tasks systematically, every "good" student using some kind of app, including to-do lists, step-by-step instructions on things to do once they get home, as well as an organizer including a nonstop list of events. The assessments/assignments kill one's creativity further, as one believes that things have to be done the exact way the teacher said in class, not what you feel will create the best product. Everything needs to be memorized, the facts accepted without a chance to question the intuition behind it.

All of this goes directly against the core values of AoPS. Experiment, play with unconventional ideas, learning to be creative in choosing from which angle to attack a problem, understanding the true motivation behind each step, understanding the "why" behind each problem you solve (see the last paragraph).

As I entered lockdown AIME mode, I can't help that every night, coming home after a mindless day of work, my brain just... stops. functioning. I would catch myself dozing off in the late afternoon. Worse, I don't even have the energy to open up the latest AIME I'm working on without drinking coffee. In fact, my highest scores on mock tests all came on weekends, which was when I got my highest ever score (12), along with a couple of 11's, 10's and 9's (though keeping in mind they're easier than modern day AIMEs).

Just this past week, I've had even more concrete evidence. At home last week, whenever I pull out a 106 Geo problem to work on, I become absent-minded. I keep feeling the pile of school work I haven't done yet, slowly shifting away my attention. As a result, I could just end up staring at the diagram I've drawn for 15-20 mins making only trivial progress, all at the same time thinking questions like: "Oh god the English essay is due tomorrow." "Ugh I forgot to do my Calculus homework again should I bother?" "What's the schedule tomorrow?" "Wait is that bio content quiz formative or summative." Feeling that I should do homework first, I stop doing math, grind through mindless busy work. By the time I can do math again, my mind is already way too exhausted to do anything. By the time last week ended, I had about 3-4 attempted but unsolved problems. On Saturday morning, I revisited these diagrams, and rivers of ideas began pouring in. Aha! ABCD is cyclic, given by the angle conditions as motivation. Oh! Menelaus kills this immediately, why didn't I utilize these ratio conditions earlier? Huh... maybe $AE$ bisects angle $A$, which is plausible as we can then do blah blah blah to finish. Why was I so stubborn on refusing to believe this earlier? In just about 20 mins, the 3-4 problems which I collectively had attempted for 2 hours are solved.

Once I adopted the AoPS way of thinking, my grades dropped drastically (my GPA mid-semester-2 was a 3.4). I keep asking myself, why I am grinding through all this busy work? Does memorizing the names and dates of FDR's New Deal reform acts or knowing which author wrote the Spoon River Anthology make me feel enlightened? Memorizing everything only to be forgotten after one of those exams? My trauma of semester one revisited me (see http://artofproblemsolving.com/community/q1h1184942p5752376). Recently, my APUSH teacher told me that I actually did get an A last semester, so apparently, I now have a 4.0 for semester one. But after that emotional roller coaster of last semester, the 4.0 on paper feels... meaningless. Last semester, I managed to force, with pure will, my physical and mental health, to commit suicide, but did I really become a better human being in getting that 4.0? The world lied to me. I mean, last semester, when I had a 4.0, I was a highly respected classmate and friend; I thought my life was complete, until now. Ever since I discovered my true identity as a problem solver. As I chased in pursuit of more and more problems, my friends drifted away, my classmates thought I was just another math nerd, my teachers frowned, and my family even drifted away. (This lack of support was the biggest reason I failed to make JMO.) Even my dad, the person closest to me, began violently discouraging me from doing math. Why do everyone around me revolve their entire lives around that number out of 4, that number out of 2400. Are they orchestrating a play, all of them trying to fool me? Or is this the reality of elite college admissions and society, having to lie to yourself and throw away your identity?

Do you guys feel the same way?
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Nah you shouldn't throw away school. There are always ways to do both school and math...try to find them.

Darn :(
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by NewAlbionAcademy, Apr 11, 2016, 11:52 PM

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I understand what you mean. I think that in this day and era, many students are forced to put on a fake personality in order to please college admissions officers. (i.e. extracurriculars to look good, community service that they aren't actually interested in, taking SAT/ACT classes against their will, etc.)

Since I had a decent GPA this past semester, my parents didn't give me too much trouble about that. However, as much as I want to believe that they'd support me no matter what, I know that if my GPA starts to slip, they will punish my severely for my overinterest in math contests.

They often say, "Remember that GPA's the most important. Homework first, problem solving later." As they say this, I think to myself, "I wish I could do more problems instead of schoolwork", but I know that GPA is ultimately very important.

It's frustrating that they don't understand, but I try to believe that since education is the only way they know how to achieve success, they want to us to be really successful in terms of education.

I try to convince myself that my parents would support me no matter what, but I honestly know that if my GPA starts to slip, they will punish me severely for my overinterest in problem solving. Additionally, my dad thinks that all math contests and all schoolwork is trivial.

He often says things such as, "Win JMO next year! Hard work will get it done. Also, have a perfect GPA this semester. And make sure you sleep 8 hours a day; sleep is very important."

"Yeah.. apparently more important than me," I think to myself. My dad gets angry pretty easily and always is looking to criticize me. Same with my mom. It's tough since they often ask me, "If you want to make JMO, why don't you just focus harder?"

I try to explain that it's not that simple; it requires lots of practice and experience, but they are convinced that it can't be that difficult. (i.e. if he can do it, why can't you?)

To avoid hostility, I've learned to work hard in schoolwork, as well as problem solving. They often scold me for doing problems before doing homework; I can see the disappointment in their faces. Additionally, whenever I try to explain a math problem or am happy about something, they refuse to listen to me, show no interest, or tell me that it doesn't matter in the long run.

However, I continue forward. I would love to spend 8+ hours a day on math and win a gold medal at IMO, but I know that with my life, that is not a realistic goal.

So I adjust my standards and try to enjoy the process nonetheless. :) I changed my goals from winning JMO to making JMO, for example. I learned to enjoy the problems that I get to do, instead of being upset over the ones I couldn't solve. I learned to take pride in personal successes, instead of being upset over what others think.

I'm sure my parents will change in time as well. I remember in elementary, I would get yelled at fiercely for anything less than a 97. Scary to think about now, considering they're okay with anything 90+ lol.

They realized they were too harsh on me, realizing that the world they grew up in and my world are two completely different eras and that they can't hold me to the same standards as before.

That being said, they still do support me (at least somewhat) in my math endeavors (paying for ARML, AMSP, etc.), which I am eternally thankful for :)

Just try to find a balance and maybe try to find some more joy in solving problems, rather than sulking about what you couldn't accomplish.

Good luck! :)

That's a good way to think about it. :)
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by blue8931, Apr 12, 2016, 2:05 AM

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I think GPA and SAT make up a large portion of what a college sees. I believe you should just do what you enjoy, while matching your own goals. I'm not sure how difficult my classes compare to yours (I average maybe 3 hrs of hw per day) but I've maintained 4.0 unweighted GPA while doing a ton of math problems; the key is to treat math problems as like, a side thing so instead when you get bored of homework you do math problems to procrastinate :P
In the end, I don't think GPA matters that much, so you should evaluate your own costs and calculate your losses based on your decisions.

Nevertheless, the reason why you should just do whatever you want to do is because if you are truly what a college wants, then you will get in. I am typically put off by people who simply do things for college applications; if you have a passion then if you can demonstrate it you will get accepted into colleges that think you will fit in well. For me, I think the admissions process for many (not all) selective schools is so unpredictable that I don't have a "dream school" or "goal" to aim for; I'll just be happy with whatever I get since they chose me.

Keep on doing math, and you'll make USAMO next year! You're still pretty young compared to me...

That's an interesting way to think about college admissions. I really hope the stereotype about having to things in order to get in a certain college will go away...
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by High, Apr 12, 2016, 6:32 AM

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hi :) have you read paul graham’s excellent essay what you’ll wish you’d known? it's a wonderful essay that goes through many of the same sentiments. i largely share his beliefs about this, and really, they’re not too dissimilar to yours. school is, by and large, a waste of time, and i wholeheartedly agree with that.

Thanks, great essay.
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