my opinion on game forums

by flec, Oct 30, 2023, 4:48 AM

to be specific, the reporting and punishing system of current game forums, with some words from me

after this big paragraph rant i have here, i promise that there's something worth looking at in the end.
i have something i want to say to game forum owners.
i have my own wishes.
i have my opinions that i developed from experience
there's a lot in this, sorry, but because i have so much trouble word dumping out loud, sometimes i have to use the blog to learn how to speak.

for this entry i just want to talk about the report and punishment process.
starting off with what i feel like is the biggest flaw in the game forum community right now--people overreact and the rules have gone too far.
I took a recent look at some popular game forums and was shocked how strictly the rules were implemented.
I share two flaws that i recognize

Flaw 1: overreacting, overthinking, overpunishing, overeverything.
For example, in Xarcade, a user was reported for this post: (no hate to xarcade, i have no afflications with that forum whatsoever, but it is just an example that was pointed out to me)
because it's apparently triggering
people were labelling it as "gross" "inappropriate" "gore" and that the user was "going too far". after looking at the gif i was absolutely shocked on how people were discussing the punishment the user would receive for it. of course if someone is uncomfortable because of this, they can tell them to stop, but there are so many reasons why discussing a punishment (my words being the possible ban, post punishment, etc) for this would be going too far:
- blood may trigger people, but it is a natural process of life. there are some people i know who are sensitive to it, but, in my opinion, we can't adapt for the what-if's. it happens in real life--we aren't going to punish someone for pointing out that cats kill mice. cats kill mice and there is blood. that's a fact. if someone walks in and is like "flec, i'm triggered by blood, please make the cat stop killing mice", i might try to hide the view from that person, but it's not going to make the cat stop killing the mouse. that's simply a fact.

-what if someone in this forum will be triggered by [this]? because of that, we can't post [this] at all anymore just in case! <-- is a logically fallacy. avoidance without knowing a possible effect is not the right answer.

-the person who posted this walked into the verdict thread and said that they were a third grader. it's not like the person is posting it to annoy others or purposely trigger others' anxiety from it. they were simply posting it for "funsies" as i like to say. Discussing a punishment for this, when it obviously doesn't have any malicious intent behind it, is not right. we're game forum owners, not parents. Game forums are a place for fun. a third grader doesn't understand how someone could be triggered by this, much less wouldn't understand why they are being restricted from the place they love.

it would be a different situation if the person kept posting it to trigger others on purpose, but even in that case, i wouldn't go through the process of the whole thread that 1) is public for the accused person to see, and is 2) allows people of different ranks/ages/knowledge and thus causes an argument in the thread that's supposed to be mature. it would also be a different situation if it was actually offensive things like genuine racism or hate speech. with a gif like this, this is what i would do.

What my verdict would be: simply delete the post if someone is triggered, and just ban without second thought if they do it to trigger people

Flaw 2: Much too complicated systems
What the heck is this system of these recent game forums?
a warning, then you receive a currency that you get if you do bad, then you get a label, then you get a post restriction, then you get written on the list of reports, then you're banned?
how do you even follow that? that's going to create so many flaws in between and unnecessary crap. and some forums have even started making files on behavior and how each leads to this different kind of punishment.
i do not understand why.
yes i was obsessed with organizing TA into one big little file when i ran it, too. but it's too much.

TA, for example, was separated into two categories which i would do:
1. warning
2. temp ban
3. permanent ban

simple as that.
In my opinion, it is a complete waste of time to make these systems. it just ends up confusing people and making the so-called "punished" users feel indignant.
you don't need to separate categories.
Let's say someone keeps swearing when it's a pg forum. you don't need to give them a warning, then a label as an "inappropriate user", then give them a post restriction (that they can only post 5 times per day now), and then take away their game-posting privileges or something.
All you have to do is 1. tell them to stop, then 2. ban them
they can't argue back. you told them to stop. they didn't. people may call you "corrupted", which is what kept me from banning people when i ran TA, but at second thought, i'm the forum owner. i have too much to worry about instead of a user who won't shut up. if a user wants to piss me off, they should be aware of the consequences. if you tell them once or twice, you don't have to tell them again.

This is my opinion on the reports/punishment system of many popular forums nowadays.
i'm sorry if my opinion on the xarcade verdict was offensive in any way, especially for people who are triggered by blood. it is my opinion, however, and it will not change. i personally think that i should be the one aware and responsible for my own icks. just because i have an ick, i think, means that everyone else has to be extra careful just in case i have an ick. i'm not talking about the obvious messed up things, like joking about cancer, but i am talking about topics where people might have an ick, others might not. for example i have emetophobia, but just because i have it doesn't mean i can stop people from getting sick. that's why i do my best to mentally prepare myself just in case and make others aware of it so that they don't get confused when i run out of the rooms at elementary school lunch volunteering sometimes. the fear i have is not what everyone has, so i don't think everyone must be extra careful for me. i think i have to be extra careful for me. blood is not an ick everyone has, so i think that falls under this category.
thanks for listening to my rant
i know how bad this is because i used to be the one wanting to organize everything
i used to be like ":o" when i saw someone say "hell"
trust me, i know. because i was like this, i cringe when i see it now, three or four years later.
i know your forum means everything to you, but if i could say something to the owners right now, i would say: sometimes, let loose, because most people here are good--you can't see that if you're uptight. whether we're joking around, insulting friends, fighting over a game, whatever, in the end, we're all people. being a game forum owner isn't to make sure everything is perfectly organized--it's to look over what you have made, keep the peace to a certain extent, and just simply be there for others. whatever happens, everyone learns a lesson. not everything happens for a bad cause.

and finally, i feel. whether i shed a tear or two when a user left TA isn't important (trust me, i did). when someone left TA, i would think, why did they leave? and then my overthinking brain would lead that to, how could i have made them happier? every single answer leads to, i could have been less uptight. i could have been their friend. i could have acted like a member of the forum alongside them, not their leader. i could have not acted like i was above them, or anything else. what makes the user and you happier in the end is to know that you did what you did. that you acted right.
you're the owner, good job. i loved TA every second of its life. but if i could get rid of that red ink on my username, i would. because in the end, we are all users.

i take a quick break to write about game forums though i am so far past its stage now.
i know on this blog, i act like i don't care.
my apathy and how i've moved on, it genuinely could be a whole movie.
but i guess i do have to make my confessions--honestly i miss being part of a game forum and sometimes i do dream about reviving TA and let people do whatever they want to and join in, to, yk, just have fun.
i would love to have another roast thread where we just randomly insult each other out of the blue and laugh about it
i would love to play mafia again
i would love to play that twin game where we have a partner and we try to get the same answers for different questions for the "compatibility".
i would love to find similarities and randomly ship each other for fun
but then again, it's over.

aops is not the place for that anymore

tl;dr, because i always include one of these on some of my excessively long rant posts: if you want to roast your friends, go to their house. don't go to 2023 aops game forums.
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i used to love the game forums
but now i just
dont
i dont even bother myself with them anymore
idek i was off of aops for a while, then when i came back they just werent fun anymore yk
and i think it might have to do with what you're talking about, just the amount of rules and complexity that take away the carefree, engaging and friendly aspects of those once fun gaming forums
theyre no longer just an easy way to play games and make friends on aops; its a series of overloaded systems of rules and enforcement; which might be needed to an extent, but it just too much

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:05 AM

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i don't think game forum rules have changed--i think it's that we changed. being honest to myself, when i was eleven, i went by the rules, too. i participated in forums with clear hierarchies. i just didn't care.
i just wish that game forums wouldn't have such ranks. i wish people wouldn't be active to earn mod, because trust me, some people do. some people actually quit because they don't have mod or admin or trusted user or whatev.
now i just dislike the idea of a game forum in general.
i would totally participate in a high schooler's forum or whatever though where people could ask for ap help and talk and rant and crap.

@crazoreo i think i remember you as a member of njtq.

by flec, Oct 30, 2023, 5:11 AM

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ok thats fair yea
nah i forgot about that people like always trying to move up the ranks

also that sounds like aops blogs lol but yea i would totally be a part of that forum

and yea i was on there when it was made and i was like super active
but just cause i had a lot of time when i was supposed to be doing math and uh obviously wasnt lol
njtq was so much fun

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:18 AM

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amc blogs are fun too it's just that i'm gonna make it private later and also that forums offer like a wider range of things. like you can have replies. comments to entries aren't really the same in my opinion.

it would be so fun though because we would just get each other. and i would probably demote myself after making it so that everyone is a user. and plus i am in genuine need of ap help rn plus i am too lazy to do anything

currently i need to: watch and understand a 20 minute video, solve 77 practice test questions

by flec, Oct 30, 2023, 5:25 AM

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yea there should definitely be a forum for that and im sure theyre out there somewhere but maybe we need to make one
i could probably help but i havent rlly made like any forums or anything before

ok and samee i am so unproductive rn i have a project thats literally due tomorrow night and i didnt work on it over the weekend at all
i finished my book tho
THE ENDING I WAS SO FREAKING MAD
anyways
yea there are a lot of things i should be doing rn other than scrolling through aops and watching yt such as 1) sleeping 2)working on my project 3) literally any other homework

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:31 AM

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shoot i literally have a math test tomorrow
i have not studied one bit
i really dont like logarithms *sigh*

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:32 AM

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eh honestly im too lazy to make a forum rn. i'm just chilling on my blog hahaha i love it sm. just the css is pleasing to look at for me it just makes me happy. i personally hate the colour of aops user-created forums i wish you could customize them.

omg i have a test in my ap class and i have not studied

istg the aps have to word them in the most complicated ways like i dont know what fricking eutrophication is and there is no way i will memorize that.

i feel you though. i hate logarithms too. so annoying. so unnecessary. so iwontusethisintenyears

by flec, Oct 30, 2023, 5:36 AM

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lol yea same
also yes i love ur css sm its so..just like relaxing i love the colors too
very happy

so truee what ap class(es) do u have
i only have ap hug cause im a freshman but we literally have a quiz or exam every. single. week like ugHGghH

lol is this a new thing
flec and crazoreo ranting and not doing what theyre supposed to be doing on flec's aesthetic blog at 10 PM
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by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:42 AM

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uhhhhhhhhhh oopsie u can edit comments right?


/accidental name rev

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:43 AM

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i'm in ap environmental science i chose not to take aphug cause of the memorizing. but apes is just as bad... it's supposed to be easy but our school makes it SO HARD we have projects and exams like every week.

i'm also a freshman although i was redshirted so could have been a sophomore.

and thanksss hahaha i love my blog's colors too. yellow is my favourite color! (: along with orange. happy colors. looking at happy colors makes me happy. fun fact my blog's css used to be pitch black with white text.

and dont worry about it i edited the comments. i just put it as crazoreo if that's okay. lmk if you want it changed.
i have made the same mistake hehehe one time in ftw (old ftw with chat) i accidentally forgot to replace my real name with flec because i was typing fast and then i was like OOPS and had to make up some excuse that it was my new favourite webtoon character or something... which didn't pass so well because my name is pretty unique and doesn't sound like a webtoon name at all. anyways if those people are still online yes that was my name.

by flec, Oct 30, 2023, 5:48 AM

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:OOOO wait samee i thought u were a sophomore fsr lol
yea sounds about right
like i get its a college level class but still--

yea my favorites are blue and green but the yellow/orange is very like soothing and yea happy

TYSM thats the first time thats happened to me and i was a lil scared for a second
well now u know my name how fun
yea mines like semi-unique ik one other person who has the same name

by craZoreo145, Oct 30, 2023, 5:54 AM

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the only game forum i rlly used was a chaos forum lmao
yeah in xarcade you can’t even say “lmao”

by Turtle09, Oct 30, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Of course, I'm obligated to defend Act F+ because I made it. So here we go. It's not the forum system that's the issue, it's the people executing them. The entire reason I made the Act F series is because the mods and admins needed a pointer as to how and when people should be punished. Rest assured that nothing in the rules says anything about gifs depicting dragons eating wizards, no matter how much blood is left behind. The system never made anyone overreact, the mods and admins did. And they would've done so without any kind of rule system. That's basically the reason I left in a rather... angry way. I hate to say it, but Xarcade has some of the least competent mods and admins I've seen on any game forum. No hate to them, it's just an observation that's true. Without my rule system, much the same things would happen... just less organized.

There's nothing I can do to argue behind the logic of your idea of banning people immediately after the first warning. Will I call you corrupt for it. Yes. Will I urge people to turn away from the forum because of that corruption? Also yes. This is saying a lot, as I normally don't get myself involved in forums outside of my own. It just conflicts with my philosophy that people are getting immediately banned just for getting on your nerves once too many. I give people second chances, third, fourth, fifth chances, because I see turning one rule breaker into a placid member of society as much more important than getting rid of a few swear words from the community. I don't think I could sleep at night knowing I belong to a community that outcasts people... for being people. No one's perfect. If you look through XVerdicts, you'll see quite a lot of genuine offenses, and you'll see quite a lot of repeat offenders. Oh, did I say repeaat offenders? I'm sure I meant "banned haha L get rekt." I'm sure almost every single person ever has had some time when they were told to stop doing something, and they didn't. In a way, this kind of way of running the forum is the antithesis of "act[ing] like a member of the forum alongside them." You're banning them for something you, and every other person does constantly. Don't act like you're above that third chance, and all the chances after that. You're not. No one is. With respect, Xarcade lasted a lot longer than TA.

I claim that Act F+ did help the forum become a lot better in terms of punishing people right, it's just things turned sour due to one thing I never took into account of: star power. Basically, when someone, usually the owner of the forum, is worshipped and bandwagoned on in what they say. AlienGirl05 says this guy should be punished? I agree. What she said makes sense. Mhm. Star power is extremely dangerous in forums, even in small amounts, because it's self-sustaining. Well, in Xarcade there was a curious little thing that happened, and it's that while AlienGirl05 was still sitting comfortably as the star, I... also became one. So with two stars in the forum, whenever we disagreed, there tended to be an entire war that started. Not to boast, but I became such a powerful star that people invoked my name without me even being there. They said things like, "I'm sure Ming would agree with me" when the last thing I wanted to do is get involved in the argument. That's the second reason I left.

by awesomeming327., Oct 30, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Turtle09, you can't say it anywhere in AoPS because the sheriff bans it... lol

by awesomeming327., Oct 30, 2023, 2:55 PM

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my brother told me you could get away with saying "stfu" when he used aops a few years ago

by Turtle09, Nov 1, 2023, 1:34 AM

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but he could've just been lucky and not have had the sheriff look at any of his posts

by Turtle09, Nov 1, 2023, 1:35 AM

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@above you can't say stfu anymore??

by amyannieaop, Nov 1, 2023, 1:42 AM

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someone needs to like make a lengthy post summarizing the aops ages again

by amyannieaop, Nov 1, 2023, 1:45 AM

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stop i will literally write a whole essay about how these days so many ten year old aops kids think they're entitled

by flec, Nov 1, 2023, 5:04 AM

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game forums are just 10 year olds who have parents that make them do aops and have too much time on their hands

by programmeruser, Nov 2, 2023, 1:02 AM

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adra i bet you were mad about your report thread getting locked
not rlly but this xverdicts thing breaks the purpose of my punishment system
generalized reports arent supposed to be shared lol. report thread promotes discussion and then allows u to branch over into xverdicts. now without it mods are just making new threads for every report that comes in

by adrastea, Nov 3, 2023, 2:13 AM

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adra your punishment system was made to sew chaos

by awesomeming327., Nov 3, 2023, 5:08 AM

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xverdicts would be a genius idea if it was used correctly

by flec, Nov 3, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Shut up ming

by adrastea, Nov 3, 2023, 2:23 PM

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id argue the forum would be worse without the report thread cause then we'd have microarguments

by adrastea, Nov 3, 2023, 2:26 PM

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BRUH the case thread was locked wtf

by flec, Nov 3, 2023, 4:01 PM

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yeah idk why they did that
bpan is a clown sometimes
also i've shared contradicting information regarding my age but i will let you know my age range is 14-16

by adrastea, Nov 3, 2023, 4:05 PM

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okay that's around my age so cool
and i think ag was avoiding me or something because she was definitely online and viewing but did not reply
idk man lol

by flec, Nov 3, 2023, 4:08 PM

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i'm around six to eight months older/younger than you, so do with that what you will

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