hey math people—answer this question please

by flec, Jan 20, 2024, 3:55 AM

my mom and i had a huge argument about graphs because she yelled at me about little details that i thought didn’t matter

you know how the stupid answer keys show this?
https://cdn.artofproblemsolving.com/attachments/d/3/39e8fbb5819f171a8f9a403da2c219ee4582e3.jpeg
the labellings?

my mom got SO mad at me for not including those and i was like, “it’s not like you label the axis or something with numbers people KNOW that the y and x axis”

and she said that the details matter and that one day i am going to fail a test because i don’t include that

i told her that was complete bs and 1) i’ve always done that i never failed a math test 2) stop getting hung over details 3) it doesn’t matter and it’s common sense except for ignorant people like you

i was halfway through that sentence when i realized… i’m actually not too sure

i mean, it’s obvious, right? and i’ve done that so many times for graphs and i’ve never gotten marked for it, ever.

but then again, math sorta is about the details

my logic is that, you know how you label the axis? that’s because nobody knows whether it’s 1, 2, 3, or 2, 4, 6, or 10, 20, 30. sure, you can assume, but there’s different possibilities

but as long as you are drawing in a rectangular graph, the standard, it’s gonna be an x and y axis. of course an imaginary graph is different, those are the graphs you have to label, but for regular graphs shouldn’t that be okay?

wait actually now (changing opinions midway) that might sorta be true because people might “assume” (because math teachers assume the wrong thing to make you get stuff wrong) that it’s an imaginary graph instead. of course it can’t be a polar graph because it’s obvious when it is, but it could be imaginary cuz it’s the same except the labellings and stuff.

but isn’t that the standard?

like, you can argue that you thought 6/2(2+1) was 1 using the STANDARD way of order of operations while 9 is more modern. you can be like, “oh but that was the standard once so technically it is ambiguous”

if you get what i mean

so my mom proceeds to call my dad and rant (with me in earshot, really really really loudly smh) that i was going to fail math and that i’m heading down the drain and that this is not the way she taught me to be and that i’m gonna become a little 미친 바보 at math.

sorry for this being long

but

tl;dr, just look at the picture, and tell me if the circled ones are necessary

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no, its not needed
but isn't 6/2(2+1).. just 9? when was there ever a standard order of operations

by zlrara01, Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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technically, yes they are needed, but literally not a single person would or should care
your mom needs to chill it's not that deep
if i can do things like 9+7=14 then surely surely surely this is okay too

normally im not one to criticise parenting but this is just a terrible overreaction on your mom's part
screaming about this is
a) ineffective
b) immature
c) inconsiderate

and i would 100% flame

by awesomeming327., Jan 20, 2024, 5:21 AM

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imho I would say you need them. maybe you don't need to focus on the details for the level of math you can handle (eg. now), but as math progresses on, being detail-oriented can save you from sillying - or that's how my dad taught me and how I believed throughout my journey in math
then again I just sometimes forget to label graphs...

by Helena_Liang, Jan 20, 2024, 5:50 AM

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uh...the first thought I had was "yes, technically you need to label the graphs"
then again it's not like I ever label them
so yeah, I guess you should write them
but if you don't it's really not a big deal, your mom is overreacting way too much

by AceCard, Jan 20, 2024, 3:32 PM

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i agree with you, you don’t need to- it’s really not that deep and i don’t label half the time either (if the graph is a smaller part of the question)

by justJen, Jan 20, 2024, 3:39 PM

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i feel like u dont rly need them but idrk
i include them for school stuff js to be on the safe side yk?

by madeleinelee, Jan 20, 2024, 4:54 PM

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i would ask your math teacher if you need to label it and then do whatever your teacher says, if your mom thinks its that big of a deal

by aayr, Jan 20, 2024, 5:08 PM

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you're overthinking

by asdf334, Jan 20, 2024, 5:13 PM

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it's actually rly important if ur doing physics or smth, but if it's the cartesian plane or smth common just say it and it should be clear enought that you don't have to label

by gracemoon124, Jan 20, 2024, 5:24 PM

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yeah if it's just a normal (x, y) graph i wouldn't bother labeling it but if your mom really thinks that you'll fail in life because of this then you should just ask your teacher or smth

also your mom is kinda. like bruh what even

by aayr, Jan 20, 2024, 5:29 PM

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*better yet get your mom to ask your teacher maybe

idk

by aayr, Jan 20, 2024, 5:30 PM

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thanks guys! my mom isnt a bad parent or anything in general, i just think she gets hung over details way too much. i think its a contrast of personality in the main part. this definitely helped.

by flec, Jan 20, 2024, 6:44 PM

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You're not going to fail a test because of that (everyone and their dog LOL knows you're referring to the standard x-y cartesian plane in the standard orientation) but it can be good practice for when you get to multivariable calc (it's always "when you get to multi" or "when you get to calc" lmao) and it's genuinely confusing which is x, y, and z.
TL;DR: if you have time on the test and want to be extra neat why not, but it's not a big deal
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by amyannieaop, Jan 21, 2024, 12:02 AM

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As someone who’s taken multi it does not matter in multi

by awesomeming327., Jan 21, 2024, 12:32 AM

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hi amy! did szheng tell you about how i almost went to the same school as you :0

by flec, Jan 21, 2024, 1:14 AM

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I lost 2 points in my alg test last year because I didn't label the axes lmao
so... I think if you're taking a test maybe you should label them..???
here in Korea, math teachers don't care tbh
but my chinese-american math teacher used to

by CaribouAAA, Jan 21, 2024, 12:27 PM

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@flec yeah!!! We should meet up at Rain after finals week sometime lol

by amyannieaop, Jan 21, 2024, 8:45 PM

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we should ;; that would be cool hahah. doesn’t cspal also somewhere around here? i think i might be wrong idk

by flec, Jan 21, 2024, 11:02 PM

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honestly you might be right, idk tho

by amyannieaop, Jan 22, 2024, 12:09 AM

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yeah but it would be so fun to see you! did szheng tell me what school i go to? it would be fun to go to a sports game where our schools go against each other, too. that's what i did w my other friend hahah

by flec, Jan 22, 2024, 12:52 AM

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the one that shares a name with a US president? (szheng didn't really tell me he just told me the abbreviation)
ALSO so real I'm gonna go check for games, it'll have to be a home game for me tho bc I can't drive/get myself to your school lol

by amyannieaop, Jan 22, 2024, 3:35 AM

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Update I can't find one assuming I got your school right :sob:, diff leagues maybe?

by amyannieaop, Jan 22, 2024, 3:36 AM

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yup that's the one. you're the billionaire school, if you get the reference. arg i also can't drive myself... uhh idk man but if we have an away game at your school (which we probably will) u should come so i can say hi (:

since we don't any more games with you guys i suppose the best possible option is either going somewhere we can both go or to wait next year when i'll probably play against ur school

i mean we have every single year lol also ur varsity volleyball team is so good like wth?!??! i am a big fan of #1 and #8 btw idk if u know them but i'm guessing you know v.g.?
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by flec, Jan 22, 2024, 3:59 AM

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ya lol, and is v.g. asian? if so I do know her!

by amyannieaop, Jan 22, 2024, 4:03 AM

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yup she's asian! i won't namedrop but she shares a name with a famous queen

she's in the same grade as u (if i remember correctly) so

ye it would be funny for me to play against her next year if i make varsity
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by flec, Jan 22, 2024, 4:06 AM

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yes!! I know who you're talking about! I don't know her very well personally but from what I've seen she's an amazing person and volleyball player

by amyannieaop, Jan 23, 2024, 3:43 AM

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yeyey hahah this makes me wonder what it would've been like if i had gone to your school i was thinking of applying last year too but i live 45 min away so i decided against it... dw i'll msg you if i ever play at ur school!

by flec, Jan 23, 2024, 6:50 AM

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yeah the distance is a bit iffy lol, commute can get insane

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