One Thing American Education Gets Right

by rrusczyk, Nov 30, 2011, 2:47 AM

I do a lot of complaining about various aspects of the American education system, so when I see something at a systemic level that's spot-on right, I should publicly praise it.

I was at the gym last week and spent a long time talking to a guy who's taught me a lot about a few exercises. He was very excited because he just landed his first professional job. He's a great example of both one huge failure of the American education system, and one huge success. He's from a very rural area of Southern California, and went to a high school that isn't accustomed to dealing with very strong math/science students. He's clearly a smart guy, so I wasn't surprised to hear that he was the top math guy in his area, and skipped at least one grade before heading off to college.

College was a disaster. Perhaps he was too young. Perhaps his school hadn't prepared him. (I think this was certainly the case, as did he.) Perhaps he was unfortunate enough to go through high school pre-AoPS :) Regardless, his first run at college was unsuccessful. He spent some time playing poker, which he was good at because he's smart. But he eventually, or rather quickly, grew weary of that and started back at school, first through community college, and then at San Diego State. And he didn't study something relatively useless, like ________ Studies (beware majors with "Studies" in the title). He just landed a job as an aerospace engineer. He's back in the hard-core geek fold, and happy to be there.

Here's what the education system got right: the American system has lots of on-ramps for people who get sidetracked early in life, or who simply aren't ready for college at age 18. From what I understand, it's a lot harder in many Western countries to reroute or restart your education later in life, and to build a new career through education well after the typical age people might complete their education.

I have a lot of issues with so-called higher education in the US (and hoepfully I'll have time to write about some of them soon), but this is one thing it gets right. For people who know what they're doing and know why they're in school, the US system of higher education offers enormous opportunity to get yourself back on track.

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That was a lot to write. does that mean that not going to college can be sometimes not that bad as you expected?

by dantx5, Nov 30, 2011, 3:03 AM

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What about students who are ready for college before age eighteen? I feel that the American education system fails equally badly for those children.

by QuantumTiger, Nov 30, 2011, 4:47 AM

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I would like to differ—it seems to me that school actually seems to prefer the prodigies rather than the "redeemers"; there seem to be positive feedback cycle makers everywhere in the process to congratulate and encourage those who started off well and little coming to talk with those who are behind to help them scale rocks that were much smaller for others. Teachers always seem to like the students who have clearly pre-studied material, "amazed" at how much they know, and look down upon those that are eager to learn but haven't had such benefits. It's analagous to how the easiest way to get richer is to be rich in the first place.

Then again, I am looking from the viewpoint of a very weird school, so I might not have the right view.

by phiReKaLk6781, Nov 30, 2011, 4:59 AM

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For people who know what they're doing and know why they're in school, the US system of higher education offers enormous opportunity to get yourself back on track.
We do not lack opportunities for such people. What we lack is such people :wink:

by fedja, Dec 23, 2011, 4:15 PM

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For people who know what they're doing and know why they're in school, the US system of higher education offers enormous opportunity to get yourself back on track.

We do not lack opportunities for such people. What we lack is such people :wink:
So true :p

by RufusBarbarossa, May 6, 2012, 11:48 PM

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I never knew the benefits of the American education system until now$\cdots$ But I agree with you 100%. If only the standardized curriculum would utilize your textbooks$\cdots$

by DaChickenInc, Sep 14, 2012, 4:46 AM

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You should realize this: AoPS textbooks are quite challenging. It's highly unlikely that public schools will utilize AoPS textbooks, because the AoPS textbooks are too hard for most students (but not the gifted students).

by hshiems, Sep 13, 2013, 11:13 PM

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You just totally roasted half of our majors...

by theguamian, Apr 2, 2017, 4:25 PM

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RufusBarbarossa wrote:
fedja wrote:
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For people who know what they're doing and know why they're in school, the US system of higher education offers enormous opportunity to get yourself back on track.
We do not lack opportunities for such people. What we lack is such people :wink:
So true :p

yeah :-D

by ObjectZ, Oct 15, 2020, 1:58 PM

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(and hoepfully I'll have time to write about some of them soon)

OMG KING R MADE A TYPO!!! HE'S HUMAN!!!

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