Considering Changes to the Classroom

by rrusczyk, Jun 17, 2006, 3:21 PM

I've been doing a lot of research into alternative technologies for the classroom recently. Unfortunately, the perfect application (or something even close to it) isn't available, at any price. The biggest drawback we see to everything that is out there is that nothing supports LaTeX - nothing would be compatible with the scripts we've written and nothing would allow us to convey mathematics cleanly and elegantly. The second biggest drawback is that nothing would allow us to have a nice text transcript. (Though most would allow reat-time playback of the class.)

On the plus side, they permit screen sharing and audio, and permit us to have a window sitting on the screen at all times with the current problem. I'm not sure how screen sharing would affect people on dial-up, but coupling this with something that would allow us to write on our computer screen would allow a great deal of instructional flexibility.

Our current classroom is a customization of a chat room. That chat room is about to move on to its next edition, and it's not clear that they'll be willing to incorporate LaTeX in it for any reasonable price. All the aforementioned options certainly won't incorporate LaTeX at any price - the companies are way to big to be interested in a small custom job.

Furthermore, the most whizzy stuff doesn't run on a Linux server, which would mean we'd have to maintain a second server for the classroom (more expense, more tech management). This also means that it can't be connected easily to our registration database (worse yet, the people I talk to there don't even understand the issue - they keep asking 'why don't you just schedule meetings with outlook?' Grrrr.)

So, I think for the foreseeable future we'll stick to what we have, but I am curious to hear from our users about which features they would most like to add, and how important features like a text transcript are.

Part of the confusion on this issue is compounded by apparent vs. real value. People who just experience our classroom for a few minutes might immediate be dissuaded - no white board, no audio. They may not realize how useful text transcripting is (can't do this with audio) and how useful LaTeX is. Consistently, people seem to prefer text transcripting over audio transcripting (in the few places where audio transcripting even exists) because you can scan text. And those who experienced any algebra-intensive classes from our early days can testify to LaTeX.

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All I can say is: DON'T GET RID OF THE TEXT TRANSCRIPT.

Like, for people who don't understand those WOOT classes the first time, the transcript is an absolute necessity. So like yeah, keep it :)

by bubala, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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I agree; transcript above all else. While it might not have a flashy whiteboard, cool animations, or audio playback, (which all may make the class itself easier and/or more fun to follow), the transcript is the easiest (only?) way to learn from the class after the class has ended, on your own time, at your own pace. It is an absolute necessity.

by zabelman, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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Just to be clear - the class with the technology I've seen would still be recorded in its entirety - you would see the entire discussion and all the screen sharing, as well as hear the audio. What I don't think you could do, is scan through a text transcript for exactly what you want in any easy way. How important is that ability (as opposed to having what essentially would be like a video recording of what happened)? (It's not clear to me how easy fast forward and rewind are on this video.)

by rrusczyk, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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I suppose that the "AV transcript" would serve the same purpose, but I don't think it would work as well as the standard text transcript. To me, it is a really invaluable resource. I would keep it at all costs.

by bubala, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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I'm not exactly sure what class would be like in the newer classrooms. I think it's worth a try to experiment though. One question-what is the student to student to teacher interaction like in these new programs?

As far as transcripts go, it is essential to have a transcript of some sort. I don't think it would be disastrous not to have a text transcript if you have the video instead. Of course, the video needs to have FF/REW/seek capabilities.

by joml88, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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The problem with experimenting is that this technology is extremely expensive (low-mid 5 digits), so it's not really something to experiment with. We'd have to just do it and find a way to make it work.

Another (very slim) possibility is to have text-based transcripts that are somewhat incomplete alongside the A/V transcripts. My fear here is that it would be very hard to follow the discussion having text in one place and audio in another asynchronously.

by rrusczyk, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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Using audio for discussion may have some impact on international students. International students can read and write well but may not be able to listen to and speak English easily.

by randomone, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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Oh, wow...I didn't have any idea it was that expensive. :?

by joml88, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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I think video is fine if you can get to the first problem, second problem, etc. with just one click.

by chess64, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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I'm assuming you don't get the source of the classroom software when you buy it then? If you did, it would be very easy to contract a programmer to make the necessary changes.

You also might be able to contract a programmer from say India who works for dirt cheap to create the whole shebang from scratch (have a look at getacoder.com).

by SnowStorm, Jun 17, 2006, 3:22 PM

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