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I recently did a little bit of research and tried to look up all of my classmates from MOP 1988 (which was the only year I went to MOP and the middle of rrusczyk's 3 years at MOP). It's been 20 years(!), so I couldn't track down a couple of people and sadly one of our classmates has passed away, but for the rest of us, there was an almost exact 1/3-1/3-1/3 split into three categories:
- math professors
- professors in a subject other than math (physics and CS mostly if I remember correctly, but one person is an economics professor)
- working outside of academia, either for the government (guess where?) or in the private sector (including, of course, me and rrusczyk at AoPS)
- math professors
- professors in a subject other than math (physics and CS mostly if I remember correctly, but one person is an economics professor)
- working outside of academia, either for the government (guess where?) or in the private sector (including, of course, me and rrusczyk at AoPS)
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How many people participated in MO(S)P back then? What were other positions in the private sector except for AoPS? Do you think your observations will change over time a lot?
Advice on mathematics competitions by Terry Tao.
Advice on mathematics competitions by Terry Tao.
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Here are some interesting discussions about math education in America.
Terry Tao wrote:
The culture in the U.S. might not be the most intellectual one in the world, but it is at least relatively supportive of activities which lead to individual “success”, especially financial success. There seems to be a general (albeit vague) public awareness here that mathematics is somehow “useful” for various industries and careers (e.g. IT, finance, engineering, etc.), and so people here do seem to agree that maths is important, even if they mostly don’t want to touch the stuff themselves. It’s not ideal, but it’s significantly better than apathy or outright anti-intellectualism. For instance, while teaching undergraduate linear algebra here in the U.S., I’ve found that students respond well to the story of how two Stanford graduate students in mathematics and computer science managed to exploit the theory of singular value decompositions of large sparse matrices to create a rather well-known multi-billion dollar web search company
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And there are some rather good educational resources lying around, if you know where to look. For instance, my four-year old son loves the Flash videos from brainpop.com, which are remarkably well done, both in presentation and in content.
Mathematics competitions, when used in moderation, are indeed a good way to show high school students that maths has more aspects than the often rather dry material covered in classes. Out here in the west coast, though, they haven’t seem to have taken much of a hold, especially compared against more well-known activities such as the Spelling Bee. Perhaps one problem is that while a good performance at the Bee can be appreciated by just about anyone, a good result at a maths competition is only really appreciated by the participant and the grader. It would be interesting to have a maths-themed event which might have wider appeal to a non-mathematical audience.

And there are some rather good educational resources lying around, if you know where to look. For instance, my four-year old son loves the Flash videos from brainpop.com, which are remarkably well done, both in presentation and in content.
Mathematics competitions, when used in moderation, are indeed a good way to show high school students that maths has more aspects than the often rather dry material covered in classes. Out here in the west coast, though, they haven’t seem to have taken much of a hold, especially compared against more well-known activities such as the Spelling Bee. Perhaps one problem is that while a good performance at the Bee can be appreciated by just about anyone, a good result at a maths competition is only really appreciated by the participant and the grader. It would be interesting to have a maths-themed event which might have wider appeal to a non-mathematical audience.
Terry Tao wrote:
It is somewhat ironic that people who choose non-mathematical careers in order to avoid “too much math” find that this lack of mathematical literacy comes back to haunt them at later stages of their career. I’ve seen investment bankers who need to learn Black-Scholes theory or other mathematical aspects of risk management, doctors who need to know advanced statistics in order to correctly follow current medical literature, and lawyers who need scientific literacy in order to handle expert testimony, not to mention understanding basic probability theory, rigorous definitions, and propositional logic. All three of them could also use mathematical literacy when it comes to more mundane tasks, such as selecting a mortgage for an expensive home.
I wouldn’t recommend mathematical academia for everyone - the main attractions are things like academic freedom, creative expression, intellectual challenge and satisfaction, (eventual) job security, flexible schedule, and lasting recognition or legacy, rather than purely monetary incentives - but I would definitely recommend mathematical literacy, both for its own intellectual sake and for its ability to enhance a surprisingly large number of careers. Though, if it is riches that is your primary goal, I can point to people such as Sergey Brin or Jim Simons as examples of people who have used an advanced mathematical education to become extremely wealthy and successful. But it is worth noting that while intellectual ability and training can be converted into money, the converse is not always true: if you’re so rich, why are you not smart?
I wouldn’t recommend mathematical academia for everyone - the main attractions are things like academic freedom, creative expression, intellectual challenge and satisfaction, (eventual) job security, flexible schedule, and lasting recognition or legacy, rather than purely monetary incentives - but I would definitely recommend mathematical literacy, both for its own intellectual sake and for its ability to enhance a surprisingly large number of careers. Though, if it is riches that is your primary goal, I can point to people such as Sergey Brin or Jim Simons as examples of people who have used an advanced mathematical education to become extremely wealthy and successful. But it is worth noting that while intellectual ability and training can be converted into money, the converse is not always true: if you’re so rich, why are you not smart?
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