No More Euphemisms

by rrusczyk, Nov 24, 2006, 1:33 AM

This blog post is long overdue - I spoke at a meeting of the National Math Panel in Palo Alto several weeks ago. I was part of the public speaking session. There were 10 such speakers. A couple were there because of a politcial battle over the CA state standards. Several were there to advertise their services or products. A few were there as part of local issues or national organizations (read: unions). I was there to tell them not to overlook the smart kids.

I made one main tactical error: I euphemistically occasionally used the phrase 'eager students' instead of embracing the fact (as I did in much of the speech) that I'm advocating for the smart kids. I have a little evidence that my speech didn't fall on deaf ears. The panel only asked questions of the two people in the big political battle, and of me. The first one really threw me. The questioner asked me how we tell which students are eager or not. I answered that teachers can tell. She said that she's been a teacher for some number of years, and she couldn't tell. Hurm. She clearly either didn't understand what I was driving at, or she just didn't believe in dealing with the issues that strong students present. (And she was extremely rude, shaking her head and typing on her computer while I was answering...)

I do at least take her point that some students are very interested and strong without their teachers knowing. But that's a failure of their teacher. She asked if I thought that this interest was innate. I could have handled that question a little better. The answer, I think, is that interest in learning is innate in most kids, and environment takes it away from most of them. For math, I think the problem is that so few elementary school teachers like or understand math. For someone who really likes math, teaching elementary school seems like a much worse option than middle or high school.

But . . . No more euphemisms for me, I think. When I go to advocate for the smart students, I think I have to start calling them that. Otherwise, it's too easy for people to believe they don't exist.

Anyway, the other questioners were more friendly, and the last was Vern Williams, who didn't ask a question, but rather gave public props to our work at AoPS. One other questioner was the Vice-Chair, Camilla Benbow, who I later learned was part of SET/CTY, studied under Julian Stanley, etc. Between her and Vern, there's some hope that the cause of strong math students won't be overlooked. She asked about what to do for strong students. She asked whether enrichment and acceleration are the same. I think in the vocabulary the gifted community uses, they may be. In practice, as those who have read my writing know well, I think they are very different. In the next few weeks, I'll probably write her and explain more at length, both because the topic is interesting, and because she is in a position to do something about it.

Before going, I feared the trip would probably be a waste of time, but I think now that it might not have been. I got to see Vern again, which is nice, and he tells me that my words probably had more effect than I imagine. That's good. But he also told me that the environment in schools for gifted students is worse than I imagine, which is probably true, and depressing.

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nice summary. Our teacher doesn't have an idea about who cares about math. .....
Some teachers fit the description of the rude teacher at my school.
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by now a ranger, Nov 24, 2006, 1:51 AM

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I think part of the problem is because many people view being smart as a negative trait. After my guitar teacher heard I took classes that were about 2 or 3 years ahead and I still aced them (literally, I slept through Algebra II, almost never turned in homework, and when I did it had stains and oreo crumbs on it. And I still got a 97%), I had to explain to him I did not play Dungeons and Dragons 12 hours a day or go to Star Trek conventions. You would also not believe the stuff I go through at school. I get some exercise a few times a week, I wear jeans and regular t-shirts, I consider myself fairly well-groomed, and generally don't fit in to the math-person stereotype, and so school is quite normal for me except when the academics is discussed. Then I get funny looks for a while...

And what bothers me, in the back of my head, is with all these supposedly "dumb" people, who take remedial class and such, is that the problem isn't that they are dumb, or can't read, or can't do math, it is that they don't want to. I think that Scientific Amercian article I showed you earlier supports my theory that everyone can achieve perfect competence with the watered down material my school has, but they just don't want to. I recognize some that some people have learning disorders and such, but 90% of people in my school's remedial classes I know quite well, and can assure you that they are just plain lazy.

Furthermore, the public school system never makes it clear to me exactly why I should be getting good grades or get a good education. Most kids aren't thinking 5 years ahead and so don't care that the difference between McDonalds and CalTech is just working a bit harder. It has been made clear to me that only grades in high school count, and so I've taken to reading AoPS 2 quite blatantly in the middle of class in my 8th grade year. Oh, so I get A's instead of A+'s now, I know, but those seven hours are much more productive...

by PenguinIntegral, Nov 24, 2006, 6:52 PM

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I don't think intelligence is considered a negative trait by any. The real problem lies in that people are very sensitive about being told that they are not smart, or not as smart as the next guy. One of the things I joked about in middle school was the title of the classes: about 20% of people were in the "average" class, about 30% in the "above average," and about 50% in the "honors" class. Most education systems try to play an appeasement game: they are more concerned that the lower strata of students feel like they are keeping up than that the "smart" students are getting challenged.

I see a lot of sentiment like PenguinIntegral's on this site; namely, the underchallenged student who reads AoPS in class and never does his homework and gets good grades. However, I think it's a little hypocritical to complain about getting "funny looks." When you "blatantly read AoPS" in class and brag about not doing your homework, you are deliberately sending a message that asks for such opinions.

by Phelpedo, Nov 24, 2006, 7:19 PM

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Phelpedo wrote:
I see a lot of sentiment like PenguinIntegral's on this site; namely, the underchallenged student who reads AoPS in class and never does his homework and gets good grades. However, I think it's a little hypocritical to complain about getting "funny looks." When you "blatantly read AoPS" in class and brag about not doing your homework, you are deliberately sending a message that asks for such opinions.
I know, I don't complain about the funny looks anymore, but before I was doing stupid things for fun, it was just odd. I do good, and so that is a bad thing?

by PenguinIntegral, Nov 24, 2006, 7:53 PM

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PenguinIntegral wrote:
Phelpedo wrote:
I see a lot of sentiment like PenguinIntegral's on this site; namely, the underchallenged student who reads AoPS in class and never does his homework and gets good grades. However, I think it's a little hypocritical to complain about getting "funny looks." When you "blatantly read AoPS" in class and brag about not doing your homework, you are deliberately sending a message that asks for such opinions.
I know, I don't complain about the funny looks anymore, but before I was doing stupid things for fun, it was just odd. I do good, and so that is a bad thing?

For what it's worth, I personally don't think you need to apologize at all for asserting your own curriculum into school in order to make better use of your time. I recall bragging in school about not having to do homework in order to understand material and ace tests. I came to understand that my intended message and the way it was received were very different. I intended to point out that I found better ways to learn, and desperately wanted others to join in. But alas, very few people get to late middle school without that understanding and develop it spontaneously -- particularly given how much work students are doing by high school (gives them very little time to think and reevaluate what's good for them). So, any message you intend and any perception received by others tend to be very far apart -- possibly even counterproductive.

But that's not your fault. It's the fault of people who perpetuate a culture of mediocrity.

I'm certainly not saying you shouldn't take your AoPS Volume 2 to class, but recognize that you're unlikely to send an effective message to others. Do it for your own good, not to make a point that won't be understood or received the way you'd like it to be.

by MCrawford, Nov 24, 2006, 9:00 PM

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I think Mr. Williams is on to something about the atmosphere. I am from the same county he teaches in.

The primary emphasis is American K-12 education today is on closing achievement gaps. I think I lot of people look at additional tools for advanced math students as widing the gap.

Meeting NCLB and state-mandated achievement goals is all.

When one of my sons was a senior in high school, he wanted to take AP Calculus BC. This was what the county's own course guidelines called for - guidelines that went back as far as the 7th grade. The school said that there would be no BC Calculus; at a PTA meeting, the principal flat out said that the resources had to put toward meeting the Va State Standards of Learning. In the end, a solution was found - one of the 2 Calculus AB sections was changed to Calc BC.

I remember what very sucessful MathCounts coach/teacher told me - the outstanding success this person had as a coach meant nothing to the school administration.

There is also a widespread belief that academic success simply comes to those who have weathly parents - period. The NY Times of 11/26 has a article that takes this position explicitly.

by Hip, Nov 30, 2006, 3:58 AM

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Hip wrote:
There is also a widespread belief that academic success simply comes to those who have weathly parents - period. The NY Times of 11/26 has a article that takes this position explicitly.

This particular attitude really makes me shake my head. I could go on and on about how wrong-headed the conclusion 'more rich people are getting into top colleges, so academic success is merely a function of money' is, but I've blogged about it before.

But it does make me sad to see it becoming conventional wisdom in some segments of the press.

by rrusczyk, Nov 30, 2006, 4:46 PM

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