Oh no! I Can't Do All the Problems!

by rrusczyk, Dec 13, 2006, 3:01 PM

I've seen a couple posts on the message board, and had a few emails from people who were concerned that they couldn't do all the problems in the AoPS books. Some of them even went as far as to conclude that they were bad at math as a result.

The problem here is that most students have been trained to expect perfection because their school classes are too easy. So, when they hit the AoPS books and can 'only' do 50-75% of the challenge problems, it freaks them out. If their regular school texts have challenge problems at all, these students can always do 100% of them, because the challenge problems there are not, well, challenging. But in the AoPS books, there are very hard problems, because if you can do every problem you see, then you aren't being challenged enough.

This is one of the great benefits of math contests - they get these high-flying students used to the idea that there are problems out there that are very hard. And maybe, just maybe, problems that many top students can't do. When you get to college, almost all the tests are like this. In most top schools, 80% is a guaranteed A, and maybe even the highest score in the class. That's because these schools are designed to train top-notch students, while most high schools and middle schools are not.

So, if you're constantly just breezing through books without a challenge, you need to find harder books. And if you have a book in which you can only solve 50% of the hard problems, don't panic. Be happy about it - you've finally found a book that's worth your time.

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this eases my mind about the multivariable mathematics book i'm working through.

by drunner2007, Dec 13, 2006, 7:27 PM

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what does it mean in AoPS books when it says prove.

like not like in school geometry where it says use two columns.


i skipped all the proof questions :o

by Go Around the Tree, Dec 14, 2006, 12:47 AM

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So what do you recommend we do about the problems we can't solve after a good day or two? Come back to them later or read the solution and move on?

I've had this thing where I for the most part refuse to move on until I solve all of the problems in a section, which seems to have worked somewhat well, but at the same time has prevented me from reading very many books (or moreover getting past the first few chapters in many cases).

by JSteinhardt, Dec 14, 2006, 2:58 AM

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Go Around the Tree wrote:
what does it mean in AoPS books when it says prove.

like not like in school geometry where it says use two columns.


i skipped all the proof questions :o

Take a look at the examples - that's what we mean. 2-column proofs are a teaching gimmick that exist only in high school geometry classes (and maybe only in America). Take the information you have in a 2-column proof and write it with complete sentences; then you have a proof that the world outside of high school geometry can read. (Don't feel bad about only knowing 2-column proofs now. Most of what I turned in on my first USAMO was 2-column because I didn't know any better - I learned at MOP that no one did proofs that way.)

by rrusczyk, Dec 14, 2006, 3:49 AM

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JSteinhardt wrote:
So what do you recommend we do about the problems we can't solve after a good day or two? Come back to them later or read the solution and move on?

Try a few different things and stick with what works for you. Generally, what I recommend is to read the solutions, think about how you might have come up with that solution, wait 1-2 weeks, then try the problems again on your own. When your goal is training, it's not clear that you get much out of a problem after you've worked on it for an hour or two (meaning the first hour or two may teach you a lot, but the next 5 hours probably won't teach you nearly as much as if you just read the solution and moved on).

by rrusczyk, Dec 14, 2006, 3:51 AM

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so I can conclude that a paragraph of clear, concise explanation would be considered a proof? Just a longer representation of a two column proof and with sentences :maybe:

by Go Around the Tree, Dec 14, 2006, 4:35 AM

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Go Around the Tree wrote:
so I can conclude that a paragraph of clear, concise explanation would be considered a proof? Just a longer representation of a two column proof and with sentences :maybe:

That's basically right, but in practice, it'll take up less space than a 2-column proof (and be way easier to follow). Here's an article that has some tips and a bunch of examples.

by rrusczyk, Dec 14, 2006, 4:08 PM

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http://math.unice.fr/~eugenia/proofguide/

This helped my son during his first semester in college.

by lenersmv, Dec 14, 2006, 4:42 PM

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I remember that the first time I went through book 1, I could only solve like 60% of the problems. I think now I can solve about 90+%, and only 55% of book 2 :lol:

by pianoforte, Dec 14, 2006, 10:00 PM

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