AoPS Expanding to Programming & CS

by rrusczyk, Mar 22, 2010, 7:32 PM

We are going to investigate building courses in programming and computer science. We'll likely start with courses for students with little or no programming experience, and expand from there. If any of you have thoughts on what you'd like to see, or what programming/CS courses have or haven't worked for you, please let us know!
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My school's at least slightly aggressive introductory CS course is an open course that might be useful to take a look at: http://cs50.tv/

Since it has a mildly sensational reputation on campus, I'm going to avoid putting context around it other than that a significant number (somewhere between a third and a half) of the people who take it take it as a truly introductory course.

by tcs09, Mar 22, 2010, 8:44 PM

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My introductory algorithms course (in college) was about half number theory, which I loved. It would be great if some of the more theoretical aspects of computer science was presented with ties to mathematical problems. In particular, I find that dynamic programming (which is a horrible name) is useful for solving certain types of problems on math competitions.

by haoye, Mar 22, 2010, 9:44 PM

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My one and only experience with CS was a graduate-level course on algorithms for computational phylogenetics (in other words, how you reconstruct how groups of organisms have evolved over time). The most useful aspect of the course to me was understanding the math behind the way the different methods work, how you could prove that they worked and what their limitations were, and how you could set up simulation studies to test how well they work in practice. But then again, in my line of work I don't program-- I find off-the-shelf software that will do what I need it to (or, even better, look at what other people are producing and figure out what I can use it for). So understanding what will work and why and under what circumstances was the most important thing that I could have gotten out of the course.

But I'm sure I'm not in your target audience, and you're not going to be teaching computational phylogenetics!

by Osud, Mar 22, 2010, 10:56 PM

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I found 3 books really valuable to CS in a theoretical perspective.
Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs(SICP), Introduction to algorithms(CLRS) and Introduction to the Theory of Computation

I would like the intro to CS course on based on SICP.
Then later having courses on algorithms and theory of computation.

It's also possible just to have a intro to python class...

by Mgccl, Mar 23, 2010, 1:02 AM

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I took a Data Structures and Algorithms course at CTY a couple summers ago that I rather liked. All algorithms were proven correct (not 100% rigorously, but the proofs were pretty tight) and runtime analyses were given (since none of the algorithms in an introductory course are particularly involved, this was usually pretty straightforward). Asymptotic notations were also defined well. I think one of the things I liked most about the class was that it was a lot like math at times.

Also, do some LISP-like language. So elegant :o

by Paiev, Mar 23, 2010, 3:05 AM

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I second the recommendation of SICP and would like to recommend even more strongly that you look at HtDP (http://www.htdp.org). Of all the courses I've taught, that one had by far the biggest impact on my own thinking, both about how to solve problems and how to teach problem solving.

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This is great news, Richard!

As I mentioned before, my sons had a very good experience with the Scheme based course offered by eIMACS (http://www.eimacs.com). They also offer courses in logic and I think the ties between logic and programming should be emphasized.

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That's a great idea :) I'd like to see an AoPS-type approach to computer science, and when such courses are offered, I'd be very interested in taking one. When do you they'll be available?

by isabella2296, Mar 23, 2010, 8:50 PM

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Hopefully in the fall.

by rrusczyk, Mar 23, 2010, 11:31 PM

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Will there be textbooks for these subjects?

by mathepic, Mar 24, 2010, 8:37 PM

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Not initially; possibly eventually.

by rrusczyk, Mar 24, 2010, 11:07 PM

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New article on building a math culture
Why we're writing AoPS books
USAMO increase sponsored by Art of Problem Solving
Kiran Kedlaya's Geometry Unbound
Macky still the man
On editing
Opened State Communities
More Going Greek
Three More Books Now Available
How smart were those ancient geometers?
Intermediate Level Geometry
First the spelling bee, then Westinghouse
MCrawford calls it like it is
Intro Counting Book available
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Two more local programs
USAMTS Extension
File Sharing
Upcoming Math Jam on Careers in Finance
More Progress
Titu & Zuming starting a summer camp
An Interesting Opportunity for Math Team Builders
Another Local Program
Reforming College on Slate
And Another . . .
Considering Changes to the Classroom
Good Day at the SDMC
California teachers convention
Zeitz 2nd edition
Counting book off to the printer
How will the books affect classes
Independent Study Overhaul
Book Progress
Vacation Pictures
Thoughts provoked by the book PayPal Wars
USAMTS Round 1
Organizing & Building AoPS
What Should Our School Be?
Blog for those building a math team
Everything but the cover
Getting in to MIT
Let's See if that Homothecy Sunk In
SDMC Overwhelmed
Yet Another Reason I Don't Watch TV
Vacation - Finally
Know Any Good Math Teachers?
What I Do Like in Math Texts
The Rich Get Richer - Stanford Math Circle
Getting the Message Board Back in Shape
Homothecy
What I Don't Like in Advanced Math Textbooks
How Do We Reach Them
Amusing Google search
Book size
Interesting Ideas in Math Education
Google sponsorship
At Mathcamp
Fund-raising - a success story
Where Does the Money Come From?
SDMC
WOOT
Pricing of our classes
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Building a local culture
AoPS at the IMO
I stumped Reid Barton
99% Perspiration
My new hero
New AoPS Instructor
Most amazing thing I saw at 2005 ARML
MATHCOUNTS Voice Over Session: Best line of the day
More on Invariants
Introduction to Invariants
Getting spoiler in blogs
Parity for Beginners
A Quick Intro to Number Bases
Wow. It really worked
Top MATHCOUNTS Program in San Diego axed
Our students at MOP
My visit to ICAE
Building a Math Culture
Heroes at MATHCOUNTS
Some people out there get what we're doing here
Yay! First Draft Nearly Done. Why Am I Not Happy?
Olympiad test series musings
Interesting Math Blog
Do what you love, not what you think Harvard wants you to do
Learning through Teaching - An Example
Belated USAMO blogging
Tilings: Mixing Number Theory and Geometry
How do the 'smart' students do it?
Interesting picture
What Calculators Hath Wrought
At the NCTM Convention
Looking Forward to Nationals
AoPS may be growing!
Computer Problems and an Interesting Dinner
The Price of Mathematical Ignorance
CA State MATHCOUNTS
San Diego Math Circle Parents
Prepping for Northern CA State MATHCOUNTS
Our Book Project
Recursive Thinking
Differences in course types
Play
Burnout
MATHCOUNTS Chapter Update
MATHCOUNTS Chapter
Using symmetry
Using Expected Value to Solve Problems
Counting the Same Thing Two Different Ways
Another test
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Evolution in the classroom
Women in Math & Science
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